45ACP 230gr JHP from www.doubletapammo.com?
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Lou22
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I believe Double Tap uses the Gold Dot for their 230gr load. It ranks right up there with the best hollow points. I shoot the 185gr and like it a lot. I believe Double Tap uses flash suppressant powder in all their loads. I've never noticed any flash on a dark indoor range.
Lou
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Double Tap rocks
Just bought a grab bag of DT, good stuff, good prices, good selection on specialty ammo offerings.
jeepmor
PS - CZF, that a 45 or 10mm? Looks like you have 10mm and 45 in the pic, just wondering, is that a Dan Wesson CBOB?
Just bought a grab bag of DT, good stuff, good prices, good selection on specialty ammo offerings.
jeepmor
PS - CZF, that a 45 or 10mm? Looks like you have 10mm and 45 in the pic, just wondering, is that a Dan Wesson CBOB?
GregGry
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Have you ever used their products? I have, and they work fine through all of my pistols. Not to mention their advertised velocity has been met by all of the chrono tests I have seen/read. The Ballistics gel tests I have seen show very good performance as well, on par with other brands that are typically at higher +p pressures.
Chupacabra
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I ordered the 45ACP variety pack recently and shot a bunch of it last weekend.
The 165s had a little trouble in my Kimber 1911, but the 200s and 230s worked great. There was virtually no muzzle flash with all of them. The 230s were loud and only a little stouter than the UMC I was shooting earlier that day.
Mike posted some chrono, penetration, and expansion results last year for most of his loadings and the 230 was impressive. 1010fps, 15+ inches of penetration, and something crazy like .95 inches of expansion.
DoubleTap ammo is wonderful stuff. It rides in all my CCW pistols.
The 165s had a little trouble in my Kimber 1911, but the 200s and 230s worked great. There was virtually no muzzle flash with all of them. The 230s were loud and only a little stouter than the UMC I was shooting earlier that day.
Mike posted some chrono, penetration, and expansion results last year for most of his loadings and the 230 was impressive. 1010fps, 15+ inches of penetration, and something crazy like .95 inches of expansion.
DoubleTap ammo is wonderful stuff. It rides in all my CCW pistols.
GunNut
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Correct, please provide your proof that this is what Double Tap is doing.
Great, don't buy it.
Putting down a company and calling them names really shows your maturity level. Especially, since you are talking out your A**.
If you know more than the rest of us and the manufacture of the ammo, by all means share your data.
Greg8098
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Double Crap???
That was a very immature comment from Unclebob
! Hey if you don't like a product then don't buy it! It's very intelligent to comment on the performance of a company's ammo without even trying it first 
. As for me, DoubleTap will continue to ride in both of my GLOCK 10mms, and pretty soon my 9's. I think people that comment like that, just really crave attention anyway.
LONG LIVE DOUBLETAP!!!
That was a very immature comment from Unclebob
! Hey if you don't like a product then don't buy it! It's very intelligent to comment on the performance of a company's ammo without even trying it first . As for me, DoubleTap will continue to ride in both of my GLOCK 10mms, and pretty soon my 9's. I think people that comment like that, just really crave attention anyway. LONG LIVE DOUBLETAP!!!
Oregongundude
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Double tap is good stuff I have used it and works as advertised.
Everyone is entitled to there opinions but Double tap ammo is very well made and works as advertised. Remember the faster you move that 230 grain bullet from a .45 acp the better it will expand. Most normal 230 grain rounds move at about 900 fps and expanison won't alway happen at that speed, the slower heavy .45 acp rounds depend on the initial holes they make from impact, but a expanded .45 acp round will cause alot more tissue damage on the target.
There is alot of good 230 grain ammo out there for the .45 acp. The Winchester Ranger rounds are good along with the buffalo bore and there are so many other in this caliber.
However, that's just my opinion as well.
Everyone is entitled to there opinions but Double tap ammo is very well made and works as advertised. Remember the faster you move that 230 grain bullet from a .45 acp the better it will expand. Most normal 230 grain rounds move at about 900 fps and expanison won't alway happen at that speed, the slower heavy .45 acp rounds depend on the initial holes they make from impact, but a expanded .45 acp round will cause alot more tissue damage on the target.
There is alot of good 230 grain ammo out there for the .45 acp. The Winchester Ranger rounds are good along with the buffalo bore and there are so many other in this caliber.
However, that's just my opinion as well.
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Ammo has to work in the gun and magazines, next up, how it shoots POA /POI. One cannot hit what aiming at if the gun don't run, or shoot where aimed.
THR has a 'aim' and the info has to feed , and run and shoot POA/POI , or will not hit the target of new folks and keeping the bar raised.
UncleBob,
I realize you are new here. I do not know how much interaction you have on Internet, and especially Gun Forums.
THR is not like other forums. We actually have raised the bar of standards, and strive to continue to.
I am not fussing, I am not picking on you. Heck if anything, this is a reminder to me, more than anyone else.
We attack the arguement - not the person arguing.
If we state something, we appreciate references to allow others to review , study the refrerences and make their own conclusions.
If you state it - be able to back it up.
The reality is, we have folks that do not believe in THRs Misson Statement. These folks not only read this site, just looking for anything we share to find fault with - they nit-pick, find fault on Internet Etiquette, and use against us.
Now if other forums want to conduct themselves a certain way, that is that forum's choice.
Here at THR - we are not going to lower ourselves to anyone's level. We are too busy raising the bar higher. By doing so we are more effective in attracting new folks to preserve freedom and carry on the THR Misson Statement.
Yeah, well, there is some satisfaction in the antis getting all flabbergasted and making fools of themselves as they cannot stand the fact we are civil and all...
--
Ammo has to work in the gun and magazines, next up, how it shoots POA /POI. One cannot hit what aiming at if the gun don't run, or shoot where aimed.
THR has a 'aim' and the info has to feed , and run and shoot POA/POI , or will not hit the target of new folks and keeping the bar raised.
Skywarp
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Double Tap makes my 10mm happy unlike most factory rounds.
mwpslp
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Not to criticize Unclebob or Doubletap because I have not tried it yet, but I too have heard that various manufacturers design their bullet to function properly within a given speed (fps) range. I am interested in trying Doubletap as it sounds good from a reliability standpoint that it will cycle and fire, but can anyone comment on expansion with regard to Speer's data???
defiant73a
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A few points to keep in mind:
- DT's ammo has not been tested by an independent, professional lab/tester nor has it been tested against the complete FBI test battery. It's fast, but it's actual performance remains a great unknown.
- DT's ammo has no meaningful record of historical use. For example, enough LEAs have carried used Winchester's Ranger T load that we know it performs very well in actual LE/defence use. DT has never had to perform in a LE/defence environment.
- Manufacturers publish a recommended velocity range for their bullets, but that does not mean bullets will deliver optimum performance across that range. Without independent, professional testing, we simply do not know if DT is delivering less than optimum performance at those velocities.
Will Fennell
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Regarding Doulbetap's performance in 10mm......
I unfortunately have not played with DT's .45 acp loads[I plan on trying some soon], but I have fired thousands of rounds of DT's 10mm loads.I have had uniformly good performance[accuracy and reliablilty] out of the loads tested. I have also KILLED quite a few animals with this ammo. I've used the 180 Gold Dot load, and the 180&200 gr XTP loads. Bullet performance has been wonderful.
The first animal I took with the 180 Gold Dot was a wild hog[ about a 225 lb boar] @ 54 yards. Broadside....the bullet entered just behind one shoulder and out the front edge of the other shoulder. While it did not hit any major bone, that is pretty impressive penetration. Butchering the animal showed signs of good expansion. The hog was DRT.
Second up with the Gold Dot load was a young buck[about 140 lbs]. At 30 yards, I hit him squarely through both shoulders, breaking bones and traversing the entire chest chavity. The bullet stopped against the skin on the off side. The buck dropped in his tracks, DRT.I recoved the Gold Dot....fully expanded.....but it held together. Damage was impressive....much more than I expected. I do, however from a hunting standpoint wish that the bullet would have exited.
All of my 10mm kills with DT's XTP loads have had complete penetration, and good expansion. Here is a thread in the HUNTING forum with a pic....
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=228401
I have settled on the DT 200 gr XTP for my hunting load......I get slightly better accuracy, and slightly smoother feeding than the 180 Gold Dot, and better accuracy than the 180 XTP.
I used to handload my 10mm hunting ammo, and I used Hornady's XTP's. I had back then I friend that I had met at a match who was working for Hornady[customer service guy, since has left the company], and he told me that the 200 gr XTP was designed to work and hold together at speed greater than I could load safely for the 10mm. I used to load speed in the 1200 fps range.
The only other caliber I ahve tried of DT, is one box of 9mm with 147 gr Gold Dot. It was accurate, smooth feeding, and chrono'd at about the speed listed, 1135 fps as I remember[it was a little faster out of my 5" STI Trojan]. I liked the load ,a nd plan on buying more.
For me, DT has performed as advertised. I have had to sort through the loads and find what I liked for my needs. As far as quality and performance, I'm pleased with DT. YMMV
I unfortunately have not played with DT's .45 acp loads[I plan on trying some soon], but I have fired thousands of rounds of DT's 10mm loads.I have had uniformly good performance[accuracy and reliablilty] out of the loads tested. I have also KILLED quite a few animals with this ammo. I've used the 180 Gold Dot load, and the 180&200 gr XTP loads. Bullet performance has been wonderful.
The first animal I took with the 180 Gold Dot was a wild hog[ about a 225 lb boar] @ 54 yards. Broadside....the bullet entered just behind one shoulder and out the front edge of the other shoulder. While it did not hit any major bone, that is pretty impressive penetration. Butchering the animal showed signs of good expansion. The hog was DRT.
Second up with the Gold Dot load was a young buck[about 140 lbs]. At 30 yards, I hit him squarely through both shoulders, breaking bones and traversing the entire chest chavity. The bullet stopped against the skin on the off side. The buck dropped in his tracks, DRT.I recoved the Gold Dot....fully expanded.....but it held together. Damage was impressive....much more than I expected. I do, however from a hunting standpoint wish that the bullet would have exited.
All of my 10mm kills with DT's XTP loads have had complete penetration, and good expansion. Here is a thread in the HUNTING forum with a pic....
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=228401
I have settled on the DT 200 gr XTP for my hunting load......I get slightly better accuracy, and slightly smoother feeding than the 180 Gold Dot, and better accuracy than the 180 XTP.
I used to handload my 10mm hunting ammo, and I used Hornady's XTP's. I had back then I friend that I had met at a match who was working for Hornady[customer service guy, since has left the company], and he told me that the 200 gr XTP was designed to work and hold together at speed greater than I could load safely for the 10mm. I used to load speed in the 1200 fps range.
The only other caliber I ahve tried of DT, is one box of 9mm with 147 gr Gold Dot. It was accurate, smooth feeding, and chrono'd at about the speed listed, 1135 fps as I remember[it was a little faster out of my 5" STI Trojan]. I liked the load ,a nd plan on buying more.
For me, DT has performed as advertised. I have had to sort through the loads and find what I liked for my needs. As far as quality and performance, I'm pleased with DT. YMMV
defiant73a
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XTPs are a better bullet for hot 10mm loads than the Gold Dots.
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