500 s&w

[baghdaddy202003]

I know that most of you are going to think I am crazy, thats fine, so does my psychiatrist. I have been really wanting to see someone create a .500 S&W semi auto. WOW!!!! I can't believe this guy is that nuts! LOL! I know right.
Well, I do believe that it is possible. It isn't a gun for light weights. It would be in the 3 or 4 lb range. The round is too big for a normal mag well, so I'm thinking of a 3 round tubular magazine with one in the chamber. The barrel would be somewhere around 10 inches. That should leave enough room for spring compression. The barrel would be ported and a miniature compensator on the end. The recoil spring would be slightly bigger than a .50 cal desert eagle. I know the recoil would be large, but with a ported barrel and compensator on it as well as having some extra weight on it I think it would be the same or slightly less than a .50 cal desert eagle. Let the flogging begin.....

 

[ku4hx]

Think I'd pass on the idea. If I need a gun bigger than a 44 Magnum I'll just grab a rifle.

 

[Girodin]

It would be in the 3 or 4 lb range. The round is too big for a normal mag well, so I'm thinking of a 3 round tubular magazine with one in the chamber. The barrel would be somewhere around 10 inches. That should leave enough room for spring compression.

How would that make for a gun that was any more useful than available revolvers? Its one thing to be able to make something functional. It is another to make something that is useful or that anyone would want to buy. I'm sure the price point on such a gun would be rather high as well.

 

[baghdaddy202003]

Not so much about being functional nor about the price being reasonable. Its more about owning something like that. What is the .500 functional for anyways? Just a big gun that is meant to give you some man points. If I wanted a gun for a back up while big game hunting I would only carry a .44 mag. Its about as big as one can get and still throw out some accurate rounds in a couple of seconds. A semi auto .500 S&W would just be purely about bragging rights.

 

[ku4hx]

Man points? With who? I have no problem with wildcatters, they've come up with some mighty fine cartridges that were turned into commercial successes. A few real dogs too.

But why go half way? If you're concerned with neither cost nor practicality, build a 50 caliber handgun. The 50 cal that's fired by one of the Barrett rifles. Now THAT would get you some man points and probably a very large YouTube following.

Personally, I'm looking into getting a Ninja Glock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAvYQSsGdMw

 

[baghdaddy202003]

I see why you would want one of those! Its like the revolvers in most movies!

 

[Owen Sparks]

It could be done as the .500 S&W round is semi-rimed like the .38 Super. It would probably be too big to be practical though, just like the revolver is. A much better idea would be to chamber it in a semi-auto carbine for hog hunting. The .500 would really preform when fired from an un-vented 20" barrel.

 

[ku4hx]

It could be done as the .500 S&W round is semi-rimed like the .38 Super. It would probably be too big to be practical though, just like the revolver is. A much better idea would be to chamber it in a semi-auto carbine for hog hunting. The .500 would really preform when fired from an un-vented 20" barrel.

Pretty much this: http://csharpsarms.com/blog-article/17/The-50-70-1-frac34-Sharps.html

 

[eldon519]

I wonder if you could build something like that with an action similar to a Benelli inertia action. It's much higher pressure than a shotgun obviously, but a 12ga and .500 are not so far off from one another as far as sending bullet weight X at velocity Y.

 

[9MMare]

I've shot the .500 snub S&W. Not very pleasant, to say the least.

I can only see that getting worse...and being harder to get back on target (assuming you want any usefulness out of the gun) with something with a lighter frame. Even steel in a semi-auto....

And I dont see it in black plastic...would that even hold up with that caliber?

 

[eldon519]

These days plastic guns seem to hold up better than steel. I think you'd have trouble finding a steel 10mm that could go the distance with a G20.

 

[9MMare]

Not so much about being functional nor about the price being reasonable. Its more about owning something like that. What is the .500 functional for anyways? Just a big gun that is meant to give you some man points. If I wanted a gun for a back up while big game hunting I would only carry a .44 mag. Its about as big as one can get and still throw out some accurate rounds in a couple of seconds. A semi auto .500 S&W would just be purely about bragging rights.

I gave the young Navy couple renting on my property a gift cert. to Cabela's for a wedding gift. That's what they spent it on The short barrel version.

Sadly, they are divorced now...married less than 2 yrs.

 

[smalls]

I see it catching on about as much as the .50 GI has.

 

[tarosean]

These days plastic guns seem to hold up better than steel.

got any proof of that claim?

 

[smalls]

And what does that have to do with a semi auto .500 S&W?

 

[eldon519]

got any proof of that claim?

A claim is asserted as fact. Re-read my post.

 

[C0untZer0]

Technically, doesn't a Serbu Shorty loaded with slugs fire a bigger "bullet" ?

 

[baghdaddy202003]

I like the Benelli idea. I have a 390 and I love how light the recoil is. Its not much more than my 223 really. I dont know enough about it to miniaturize it to scale or if it can be done. Sometimes men do things not because the action is needed but because we can. Thinking outside the box is what makes great leaps in technology. 150 years ago a .50 cal barrett was unthinkable or how bout the 20mm shoulder fired rifle.

 

[tarosean]

A claim is asserted as fact. Re-read my post.

I read your post. Like I said, provide facts with your assertion. Its really that simple. Not opinion, not anectotes, just plain old facts.

 

[7thGenAustinite]

"spring would be slightly bigger than a .50 cal desert eagle"

desert eagle has a gas system and two recoil springs… so its not just as simple as adding a heavy spring.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Oh! And lets try and do it with a polymer or aluminum frame!!!! We need to keep it light weight so we can carry it and then some ass can hand it to his 105 lb girlfriend and let her bang it into her frickin head while wearing a bikini, and then post it on youtube!!!! YEAHHHHH!!!!

Umm, yeah it might be nice, but use would be fairly selective. Maybe they could make like 100 of them from Kel-Tec and people could pay twice the MSRP on Gunbroker for the first run.

Sorry. I guess I'm feeling cinicle today. Back on topic. Interesting idea, but no fun to shoot I bet, and less fun to pay for. Bighorn Armory makes a levergun. I like that concept.

 

[eldon519]

I read your post. Like I said, provide facts with your assertion. Its really that simple. Not opinion, not anectotes, just plain old facts.

Your reading comprehension skills are failing you, my friend. "Assert/assertion" also indicates a matter-of-fact statement that you won't find in my post. Instead you'll find the verbs "seems" and "think" which imply my perception and my opinion. I could see where you might demand proof if I had made a categorical statement on the matter or if I had claimed something particularly outlandish, but what I stated was an opinion, and in that, a fairly common one. Being that, I don't really feel the need to provide "proof" as though you were some sort of self-appointed, one-man peer review team, and at least to me, such a request comes across as unnecessarily aggressive when making light conversation about a fantasy pistol. You are welcome to look into it on your own, and if you are honestly curious, a nice starting point would be the torture and longevity tests for Glock and HK firearms which are pretty impressive and trying to compare them to anything done on a steel gun. I've attached a nice site below that has lots of high-round-count firearms tests. But like I said, your research is yours to do, and I'm not going to spend my weekend scouring the internet to find and cite sources for articles I've read over the years and present a thesis to a total stranger. If you've done your research and come up with a different opinion, that is fine with me too. I'm just in this thread to chat.

http://pistol-training.com/archives/category/range-reports

 

[eldon519]

I like the Benelli idea. I have a 390 and I love how light the recoil is. Its not much more than my 223 really. I dont know enough about it to miniaturize it to scale or if it can be done. Sometimes men do things not because the action is needed but because we can. Thinking outside the box is what makes great leaps in technology. 150 years ago a .50 cal barrett was unthinkable or how bout the 20mm shoulder fired rifle.

I'm not positive, but I think a 390 uses a gas system rather than an inertia system. I also don't know if an inertia driven system would work in a handgun as the way it works somewhat relies on the gun coming straight back in recoil while a handgun comes more up and back in an arc. It still might be an adaptable idea though just by how you controlled the travel of the deadweight part of the bolt.

 

[gunnutery]

Well, I do believe that it is possible.

So do I. However, there's only two companies making autos for .357 mag(which I'd like to see more of). I think the rest of the auto pistol companies have "moved on" from the rimmed centerfire concept and worked to perfect the rimmless cartridge offerings. There are some that say it can't/shouldn't be done with rimmed cases, but there are numerous designs that state otherwise. The problem is that there isn't enough monetary support to keep producing them. Considering my lack of options with an auto .357 mag, I think you're going to have an even tougher time with .500 s&w.

 

[baghdaddy202003]

I must have been drunk when I said I like my 390. That is a gas operated gun and its not even a Benelli! I stand by my statement that I love it though! I also didnt realize that the Desert Eagle had 2 recoil springs in it. I have never handled one nor have I even seen one in person. Its nice to hear that it has a gas operated system in it though. The technology is there then. It would just need to be fine tuned for a bigger round. I was told to expect to get ripped apart here for this idea. Im glad that some people agree that it "can" be done. Not necessarily practical nor smart though.