7.62x39 Stevens 200 Bench gun, first range report

[Schleprok62]

Krochus:

Nice to see you got your barrel and it's doing what you'd hoped! Nice job on the build up to. Great groups for early on... wait till she's broke in... I think those groups will tighten up a bit... and the you'll really have the "nay-sayers" in an uproar...

Good on ya man... :thumbup

 

[Striker]

I seem to recall that Robbie Barkman made up a few 7.62x39 rifles on Remmie short actions sometime ago. Don't know if they ever took off, but Krochus' project certainly renews my interest in the concept.

 

[Gewehr98]

Easy answer...

It's very cool, but may I ask *why* (in the hell, mind you) would you build up the rifle with that particular cartridge?

Because he CAN.

I built a BR .30-30 788 just to prove a point, and have a 1 MOA SKS that I configured from a Norinco SKS just for giggles.

I have been toying with the idea of building a nice 7.62x39 boltgun, a stablemate to my .30-30 Savage 340, both of about equivalent deer-hunting power.

 

[R.W.Dale]

MORE GROUPS 110grn Bergers

I hate to brag and all but I shot some more 110grn Bergers today. Calm day, raining about 65 degrees. Range 100yds.

Things are falling into place rather nicely

 

[alemonkey]

I too think most of the "inherent accuracy" stuff is bunk. Maybe not all of it, but definitely a great deal. Having a good platform like the Savage/Stevens action is more important.

If all you guys keep posting pics of your DIY custom Savage builds I'm going to have to break down and build one myself.

 

[skinewmexico]

Oh man. I was load testing my Savage Model 12 in 6.5x47 Lapua, and my best target was .287". Getting my butt kicked by a 7.62x39. Same brand barrel though.

 

[R.W.Dale]

If all you guys keep posting pics of your DIY custom Savage builds I'm going to have to break down and build one myself.

Be careful as they can be quite addictive:banghead:

Since the first of the year I've built the 7.62x39, a 35 whelen Stevens 200 and as of this morning I now own a Savage 111 in .243 win that I'll do SOMETHING with

American production ammo is .308, so that is the bore they should make it in. IMHO

I would like to point out that this is a complete and utter MYTH I don't know where it got started but it gets repeated often. As far as I can find ALL factory 7.62x39 ammunition uses the "proper" .310 bullet diameter. All a person needs to do to confirm this is look at the remington and winchester 7.62x39mm component bullets offered to us reloaders

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=124894

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=299240

 

[jimmyraythomason]

Perhaps this can shed some light on the subject. In any case,a production Stevens 200 would be a hit in 7.62x39. (Also MHO.)http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/GunTech/faq.aspx?catid=13&faqid=991

 

[R.W.Dale]

Perhaps this can shed some light on the subject. In any case,a production Stevens 200 would be a hit in 7.62x39. (Also MHO.)http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/Gun...d=13&faqid=991

That's pretty close to the mark but really doesn't explain where the ammo myth came from. And even so you'ed think in the modern days of information disimination that after almost 20yrs this myth would be put to bed

 

[jimmyraythomason]

Don't expect it to go away any time soon. The WD-40 myth is over 35 years old and doesn't show any signs of lessening.

 

[R.W.Dale]

The WD-40 myth is over 35 years old and doesn't show any signs of lessening.

Which myth is that?

Is it the one where WD-40 is good for arthritis?

 

[jimmyraythomason]

The MYTH or outright untruth that WD-40 will gum up guns. This is the most prevelant falsehood repeated over and over on this forum. Along with the inaccuracy of Ruger's Mini-14 and 30,and any gun chambered in 7.62x39(we know this isn't true). Querie:If there were no commercial ammo for 7.62x39 loaded with .308 bullets, why did Ruger originally put .308 bores in their Mini-30? I don't think Ruger did it just to accomodate handloaders. (But)If they no longer exist, then this is a moot point.

 

[Gewehr98]

The Ruger Mini-30 bores have tapered throats...

To accommodate any and all diameters of 7.62x39, regardless of who made the ammo and what bullet they chose at the time. The diameter at the muzzle is still .308", but it will chamber and safely fire .310-.312" ammo with no problems.

The freebore/forcing cone design of the Mini-30 barrel was a good compromise for Ruger, so that it could feed a variety of ammo and not run excessive chamber pressures in doing so, while still maintaining at least broadside-of-barn accuracy in the process. Unfortunately, in my own experience, I found my Bulgarian SLR-95 to have better accuracy than my Mini-30, so I sold the latter.

Search the threads here, I have pictures of a case of Winchester White Box 7.62x39 that mikes an honest .310".

 

[ScratchnDent]

This is not definitive proof of anything, but I took my calipers to a few different brands of 7.62x39 a year or so ago.
Here's what I found in the lots I had at the time.
Wolf 'black box' 122 fmj .308 dia
WWB 123 fmj .310 dia
Silver Bear 125 sp .311 dia

 

[skinewmexico]

I thought it was going to be about WD40 and arthritis.

 

[dagger dog]

If it is bored for .308 bullets can it still be true to the Soviet 7.62X39 cartridge. I think not because of the bullet size difference.

You may have come up with a new bastard but would the results still be the same with the .310-.311 bullets?

 

[R.W.Dale]

If it is bored for .308 bullets can it still be true to the Soviet 7.62X39 cartridge. I think not because of the bullet size difference.

Sure it is a 35 whelen isn't different when shooting .357 diameter handgun bullets instead of .358 rifle bullets

A 30-30 is still the same cartridge when shooting .309 diameter cast bullets.

8mm Mauser is still 8x57 even if it uses the older smaller J bore dimensions

We're only talking about .002 here, not enough to actually make a difference in the larger bored guns. See the thread below, different gun but pretty definitive results Just think of this round as a 7.62x39mmJ. I'm confident that with bullets and barrel of the same quality the results would be the same

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=185447&highlight=testing+pics

 

[dagger dog]

But I do have to admit that is some mighty fine shooting!

 

[lawboy]

I have a cz527 in 7.62x39. I love it.
I am having a custom stock built for it and will use it exclusively as an offhand rifle for shooting heavy cast bullets. 175-210 bullets stabilize nicely in the 1:9 twist and it has achieved moa accuracy with lead bullets. What is not to like.

 

[ugaarguy]

Krochus you have a very cool rifle. Thank you for sharing it with us. I know others have why you didn't go to a 6mm or 6.5mm since the PPC and many of the BR cases are based off the same Russian parent case. I'm curious to know, have their been any efforts, a la .223 Rem to .300 Whisper, to neck up / blow out the 7.62 Russian case? Something along the lines of a SKS or CZ carbine bored .375 or .411 to use heavier dangerous game solids might make a nice short range hog buster for use in thick cover.

The MYTH or outright untruth that WD-40 will gum up guns. This is the most prevelant falsehood repeated over and over on this forum.

Mr. Thomason, the gentlemen in the service department where I work would disagree with you. Indeed, My desk is in the same back area, and I've seen & felt the gummed actions of many a gun, all accompanied by the distinct aroma of WD-40.

Krochus, please stay away from the WD-40 on your fine rifle.

 

[R.W.Dale]

why did Ruger originally put .308 bores in their Mini-30?

the answer is quite simple, almost too simple to believe.

.308 caliber barrels are what they had at the time so that's what they used. I will add that I've read reports where ruger cherry picked barrels on the large side if their tolerances for the first run MINI30's

 

[Marlin 45 carbine]

Hey I like it, that would be deadly on 'yotes and hogs. I have a Mini30 that I've tweaked some and cut the groups in half useing my good handloads the chambering itself is a fine hog round. or bush deer gun. wish it shot like that tho!

 

[jimmyraythomason]

krochus; congratulations sir on a very fine rifle that shoots as good as it looks.

 

[mr.trooper]

Im sorry, but anyone who thinks the 7.62x39 is "inherently inaccurate" doesn't know much about the subject.

just because its chief application is sloppy tolerance ammo in sloppy tolerance rifles doesn't mean the cartridge design is bad.

 

[HankC]

Anyone tried chamber adapter to shoot 7.62X39 in 308? Any modification needed on bolt head?

My biggest fear is the adapter came out with fired shell and shoot the next round in the larger chamber and blow up on me!
http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm