9 Hogs Down on Brand New Property...

Status
Not open for further replies.

Double Naught Spy

Sus Venator
Joined
Dec 24, 2002
Messages
12,344
Location
Forestburg, Texas
...totaling 1355 lbs, all before midnight. Started off with a daylight hog (rare for me) that we stalked as close to as we thought was appropriate given the lighting conditions. On the way back to the truck, spotted a sounder among the cattle in a side pasture and spent a good 20 minutes waiting for the hogs to separate themselves from the cattle. The long shot of the night, 245 yards, on a 50 lb little boar was made here. Finishing up with that group and returning to the previous pasture, my partner spotted another sounder in the area where we shot the first boar. Here we took the largest hog of the night, a 250 lb sow.

We could have shot a lot more, but not without endangering the cattle, so we were very limited in what we could do, but tried to make the best of it...

 
C'mon, dish! Details on weapons and loads used, as well as performance on game?
 
C'mon, dish! Details on weapons and loads used, as well as performance on game?

What more do you want to know about the weapons that wasn't covered in the video?

I have stopped doing necropsies for the time being given a lack of gloves. A fan of the channel sent me a couple of boxes and will use them sparingly for interesting kills, but not routinely. Previously, I have covered the Federal American Eagle loaded Speer TNT 90 gr. bullets on numerous videos with necropsies.
 
What more do you want to know about the weapons that wasn't covered in the video?

I have stopped doing necropsies for the time being given a lack of gloves. A fan of the channel sent me a couple of boxes and will use them sparingly for interesting kills, but not routinely. Previously, I have covered the Federal American Eagle loaded Speer TNT 90 gr. bullets on numerous videos with necropsies.
I didn't watch the video and was unaware you had stopped doing necropsies of bagged animals. My paradigm was anything in the video of note was also in your post text, like weapons and ammo used and how many shots to put the game down like I asked. So noted for the future. I'll watch the video since it appears you included all that info for all participants there.
 
I didn't watch the video and was unaware you had stopped doing necropsies of bagged animals. My paradigm was anything in the video of note was also in your post text, like weapons and ammo used and how many shots to put the game down like I asked. So noted for the future. I'll watch the video since it appears you included all that info for all participants there.

I have been doing hunting videos for a while now and have been a fan of them much longer. I always try to include information in them that I would be asking about or that my viewers have asked about over and over. So I have some standard stuff I try to do including listing the weapon data, ammo data, optics, and sometimes mention the other gear that I use, particularly when it has been helpful on a given hunt (knives, hog dragger, metal detector, rib cutter, etc.). For thermal hunting, I always try to include relevant environmental data inclusive of the factors that may negatively impact the thermal image and hunting situation (temp, wind speed and direction, relative humidity, dust, fog, moon, etc.). For the shots, I will often include distances as best as can be determined (usually GPS). For the kills, I include animal weights (hogs, but also rarely on coyotes), sex, and if a female, if I can determine if it is pregnant. When looking at bullet performance such as when using new ammo or when something interesting has gone on, I will note entry location, exit or termination point, approximate distance traveled through the body, what has been damaged, how much of the bullet has been recovered, how much it weighs, and its condition.

With all that in mind, it is much easier to do a necropsy on 1 or 2 kills in a given night than it is on 9 kills. Each necropsy can take as little as 15 minutes or as much as 90 (if I really get into a more difficult hog) and that eats up time I should be trying to locate and kill other hogs. The problem with necropsies, from a YouTube perspective, is that I get complaints on my videos when I include them. I am continually amazed that I have viewers who are not hunters (and maybe some who are), but who apparently like to watch 'clean' hunting videos where nothing too real is discernible. Killing multiple hogs is great, but showing internal body tissues is offensive. I will never understand this.
 
Glad to see some one out with the Grendel , first of your videos I've seen why did you settle on the 90 grain? I have stuck with the 130's, for hunting stuff, and the Barnul 100 grain fmj for pleasure
 
Glad to see some one out with the Grendel , first of your videos I've seen why did you settle on the 90 grain? I have stuck with the 130's, for hunting stuff, and the Barnul 100 grain fmj for pleasure

Hey Leadbutt. I document all my hunts so that the landowners can see what I am doing on their properties (originally) and now I do it as a matter of practice whether it is on my property or somebody else's. I find that letting the landowners know what I do often gets them more interested in helping me... so there are a lot of vids on my channel. I have primarily hunted with the Grendel since 2015 (IIRC) when I had to temporarily go to a lighter recoiling caliber for a while after I had surgery.

I don't reload and so initially it was almost exclusively Hornady SST 123 gr. factory ammo which I found to be excellent for the tasks. Over the years, I have tried numerous factory loads and a few handloads I have let people make for me. I have tried all copper bullets, brass, soft point, OTM, match, hollowpoint, bonded, cup and core, fmj (tumbling on impact claimed to be a good thing), varmint rounds, etc. etc. etc.. A lot of the bullets did really well or did really like they were advertised to perform - can't fault the manufacturer or bullet if is performs exactly as claimed, right?

So I am NOT a meat hunter. I want the hogs dead. 123 gr. SSTs did a fine job, often coming apart with large wound channels and multiple small wound channels and fragments went various directions. At least part of the round would often overpenetrate (exit) on hogs up to 225 lbs with shoulder area/boilerroom shots. I had tried some of Alexander Arms' loaded 90 gr. TNT rounds but wasn't totally impressed because AA is conservative in their loading. Out of a 20" barrel, I was only getting 2700 fps for the 90 gr. bullet, but was getting 2550 fps from a 123 gr. Hornady SST 123 gr. I should have been getting >2900 fps from the 20" barrel if the ammo was loaded appropriately.

Federal came along and loaded the TNTs. I was getting 2800 fps from my 18" barrel and 2920 fps from a 20" barrel. Still, not quite as much energy and not the same BC as the SST, but a flatter trajectory and plenty of energy inside of typical shooting distances of <200 yards. The cool thing about the TNTs, despite all the cries of how I was doing wrong by using a "varmint" round (I don't buy into marketing, hence why I have tested so many bullets on actual hogs), the TNTs performed very well. They hit, penetrate 8-16" and make a typically oversized wound channel as they come apart. I have had fragments exit on hogs over 230 lbs in size, but generally overpenetration drops off significant on hogs over 160 lbs. Using a metal detector to find fragments, the heaviest (often largest) is the base and maybe a bit of jacket and it typically weighs less than 30 gr. If you are into energy dumping, then these rounds often dump most or all of their energy inside the hog. I don't believe in energy dumping, but do believe in direct damage and all the fragments and such going in various directions are more apt to damage more things, IMO, than bullets that simply drill a hole right through.

Also, I hunt a lot of smaller properties. If I have a bullet that passes through, the fragments that exit are going to be small and rendered non-effective over a very short distance if not already rendered that way going through the animal.

As it turns out for reloaders, TNT are really inexpensive bullets and apparently plenty accurate. A could of the Grendel (forum) guys target shoot with them to 700 yards and beyond.

So that is why I like TNT 90s. There are plenty of other good bullets out there. Berger VLD-Hunting 130s at Grendel velocities are some of the most destructive Grendel bullets I have seen, but they are comparatively more expensive and not as flat shooting. Speer Gold Dot 120s, Federal Fusion 120s, Nosler ABLR 120(?), and various weight Maker T-Rex (all copper) are excellent expanders and penetrators that shed little or no weight and would be what I would be using if I was meat hunting.
 
Thanks for the reply, the brother in law and I have been looking at other loadings for the same reasons, he has picked some of the older 160 grain soft points, looking to build a subsonic load, ther're 3 of us who do DMAP damage removals, mostly deer on small property
 
I have been doing hunting videos for a while now and have been a fan of them much longer. I always try to include information in them that I would be asking about or that my viewers have asked about over and over. So I have some standard stuff I try to do including listing the weapon data, ammo data, optics, and sometimes mention the other gear that I use, particularly when it has been helpful on a given hunt (knives, hog dragger, metal detector, rib cutter, etc.). For thermal hunting, I always try to include relevant environmental data inclusive of the factors that may negatively impact the thermal image and hunting situation (temp, wind speed and direction, relative humidity, dust, fog, moon, etc.). For the shots, I will often include distances as best as can be determined (usually GPS). For the kills, I include animal weights (hogs, but also rarely on coyotes), sex, and if a female, if I can determine if it is pregnant. When looking at bullet performance such as when using new ammo or when something interesting has gone on, I will note entry location, exit or termination point, approximate distance traveled through the body, what has been damaged, how much of the bullet has been recovered, how much it weighs, and its condition.

With all that in mind, it is much easier to do a necropsy on 1 or 2 kills in a given night than it is on 9 kills. Each necropsy can take as little as 15 minutes or as much as 90 (if I really get into a more difficult hog) and that eats up time I should be trying to locate and kill other hogs. The problem with necropsies, from a YouTube perspective, is that I get complaints on my videos when I include them. I am continually amazed that I have viewers who are not hunters (and maybe some who are), but who apparently like to watch 'clean' hunting videos where nothing too real is discernible. Killing multiple hogs is great, but showing internal body tissues is offensive. I will never understand this.
I am amazed you chose to quote my post as an example of what I put in bold font. Your imagination is incredibly vivid concerning what you derived from what I posted.

FWIW, I am a meat hunter, therefore not a member of your special club that you seem to question whether I thus qualify as a hunter at all, as put in bold by myself.

You certainly need not concern yourself about my viewership going forward, including the text in your posts.
 
Double Naught Spy has done more than his part in reducing the wild hog population. i thoroughly enjoy watching his videos. Double Naught Spy is a great example of Jack O Connor' s theory of "they're the same size running as they are standing still". BTW: After a friend congratulated me on making a 226 yard shot on a big running sow with a scoped inline muzzleloader. i parroted O'Connor.

Were i younger i'd be hunting hogs with night vision.

It would appear the new property holds a considerable infestation of wild hogs.
 
Last edited:
I am amazed you chose to quote my post as an example of what I put in bold font. Your imagination is incredibly vivid concerning what you derived from what I posted.

FWIW, I am a meat hunter, therefore not a member of your special club that you seem to question whether I thus qualify as a hunter at all, as put in bold by myself.

You certainly need not concern yourself about my viewership going forward, including the text in your posts.

No reason for your feelings to be hurt. Just explaining to you why I don't do necropsies all the time. Unless you are one of the whiners who doesn't like them, then the comment would not apply to you, but apparently you think that because I responded to you that everything I stated was about you. Reading is fundamental.
 
Last edited:
I am amazed you chose to quote my post as an example of what I put in bold font. Your imagination is incredibly vivid concerning what you derived from what I posted.
I don’t think that his reply was directed specifically at you. That’s certainly not how I took it. I only read it as an explanation in general to the thread while answering your inquiry. But I don’t claim to speak for DNS.
 
Last edited:
I am amazed you chose to quote my post as an example of what I put in bold font. Your imagination is incredibly vivid concerning what you derived from what I posted.

FWIW, I am a meat hunter, therefore not a member of your special club that you seem to question whether I thus qualify as a hunter at all, as put in bold by myself.

You certainly need not concern yourself about my viewership going forward, including the text in your posts.
Edit... I read down and saw others said the same thing I did.
I'll not beat a dead horse.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top