9mm fmj for HD

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My first choice in a defensive JHP used to cost $20/50, forty cents a round. I think it's up to $25 now, but either way it's not so expensive you can't test it in your gun. And if you're only buying one box at a time, save your cash for a month and get it all at once so you don't have to pay shipping on every box and then lament the super-expensive ammunition.
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where are you guys getting these 50 ct boxes of defense ammo i keep reading about on here?
 
9mm FMJ can be quite effective. The NY City police used FMJ ammo in their Glock 9mm's until 1998 with good effect.

There was a shooting years ago where a guy had walked in on an armed robbery. He killed both armed robbers using a Glock 19 loaded with Fiocchi FMJ.

Marshall Sannow data which is mostly derived from police shootings show Winchester 115 gr FMJ standard velocity at 70% one shot stops from barrels longer than 4" over 315 shootings. More effective than the .45 230gr ball at 62% over 575 shootings or any short barrel .38 spl.
 
http://drtammo.com/technology/

On impact with harder metals the powdered core disintegrates, thus no ricochet. When it penetrates a gel block or organic tissue, the hydrostatic shock of the soft material going into the hollow point actually makes the entire core projectile expand. There are no large chunks, just fine dust doing the terminal damage.
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Sounds like something that might fit your needs if it works as claimed. It isn't FMJ but has a very smooth rounded nose and shouldn't over penetrate much if at all. $27/50rds
 
The 9mm I have right now is loaded with FMJ as one of my go to pistols and it's loaded with FMJ. That's only because I haven't shot JHP from it and I believe JHP will jam with it because of it being a old surplus pistol with a hump in the feed ramp.
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It sounds like you're describing an old FN or FM Hi Power. If so, they will generally feed HP's just fine. If they don't, just polish the feed ramp with a bit of jewelers rouge.
 
Hello,
I was just wondering how many of you would 9mm fmj for HD. My dad has always insisted that we use that because they work just fine and cycle reliably in the gun. So, if given the choice, would you use 9mm fmj in your HD pistol?
Thanks
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Does you dad realize that jacketed hollowpoints most of the time also work just fine and cycle reliably in guns as well(especially modern guns made with jhps in mind)? And by "work just fine" is he talking about how well they stop a threat? If so, ask yourself what he is basing this on.

The fact is that most jhps work fine in most guns, their terminal effectiveness is with question better than fmj, and they can be had easily and relatively cheaply. The only thing that would stop me from using them is local laws prohibiting them. In which case expanding fmj, critical defense ammo, or other jhp alternative can be used instead of fmj.

Honestly I've had more malfunctions using cheap fmj than premium jhps.
 
It sounds like you're describing an old FN or FM Hi Power. If so, they will generally feed HP's just fine. If they don't, just polish the feed ramp with a bit of jewelers rouge.
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FM90, I'm actually selling it to a friend so I'm not all that interested in JHPs for it.
 
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Because his notion of how he will be able to perform under fire is dangerously optimistic. It's like saying; "I don't need to wear my seatbelt, because if I get in an accident I will just put it on before the impact." To assume you will always be able to get a hit between the eyes is unrealistic for anyone. People can claim anything they want on the internet. I usually don't care. But that is too far. If the poster, or anyone reading it, is making those kinds of assumptions, it is dangerous.
 
mljdeckard said:
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Because his notion of how he will be able to perform under fire is dangerously optimistic. It's like saying; "I don't need to wear my seatbelt, because if I get in an accident I will just put it on before the impact." To assume you will always be able to get a hit between the eyes is unrealistic for anyone. People can claim anything they want on the internet. I usually don't care. But that is too far. If the poster, or anyone reading it, is making those kinds of assumptions, it is dangerous.
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That may be the case, but people post all sorts of stupid, dangerous stuff on 'net (sometimes it is meant as humor) and in almost every case it is not possible to save people from themselves.

It is just an exercise in :banghead:

Of course, this is also what fuels the famous Darwinian mechanism of "self-elimination". Who are we to stop such a profound process? :)
 
Steve C said:
9mm FMJ can be quite effective. The NY City police used FMJ ammo in their Glock 9mm's until 1998 with good effect.
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If it worked so well, why did they stop using it? Maybe all the over-penetrations? Or maybe too many badguys weren't impressed after being shot with it. NYPD mandated fmj in the beginning due to political reasons, nothing more.

Marshall/Sanow data....
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Has largely been debunked and dismissed.
 
Been watching this thread and there are some interesting points.

For HD, my first choice is my .12 gauge.

Next, would be my .44 Special.

I've never been a fan of a handgun when other, better, options are available. And, if I had to use one in a HD situation, I would not be counting on a one shot stop.

As far as 9MM FMJ, If I had to grab a 9mm, my Walther functions great with them. If nine shots are not sufficient ~ I've got more mags.
 
First of all I was joking about the shoot him between the eyes stuff, second of all I am a very good shot with most handguns 25 yards as fast as you can pull the trigger I can usually hold groups the size of my fist with no fliers, 3rd of all people have some really fantasy land views of being in huge gun battles in their house. Unless you're a drug lord I dont think you have to worry about someone entering your house with guns blazing. If you are a drug lord I hope you lose anyway.
 
Nobody else has tried to launch a study on the topic either, not an objectively based one with repeatable results, or one based on anecdotes like M&S.

Except maybe the ballistic pressure wave people.
 
biggameballs said:
I am a very good shot with most handguns 25 yards as fast as you can pull the trigger I can usually hold groups the size of my fist with no fliers....
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Fist size groups at 25 yds as fast as you can pull the trigger.....

I'd have to see that!
 
KodiakBeer said:
By people who shoot blocks of gelatin, but not by anybody else.
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Well, not true.

A quick Google search will bring up all sorts of problems with M/S

Even if taken at face value, it doesn't include all the failures of multiple hits. IE, if a guy takes 15 rds of 9mm ball and keeps coming, that incident is NOT used in their "study."
 
KodiakBeer said:
By people who shoot blocks of gelatin, but not by anybody else.
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Dishonesty by omission is still dishonesty.

Those "people who shoot blocks of gelatin" are also among the most educated researchers in the field (Fackler, Roberts, MacPherson, Williams, Wolberg, et.al.) possessed of credentials that you and most everyone else here could ever dream of having. You forgot to mention all of that, yeah?

When it comes to matters such as this, I'll take the direction of those extremely knowledgeable folks over the "say so" of the average anonymous self-professed internet expert any day.
 
A 9mm hollowpoint passing through drywall will clog up, fail to expand, and function like an FMJ in regards to penetration. Therefore, "I don't want to risk overpenetration" is not a good reason to choose JHP over FMJ. A better transfer of energy and wider permanent wound channel is a good reason.

I will choose JHP over FMJ if I have a choice. If not, I will use FMJ.
 
It depends on which JHP is going thru the drywall.

Not all of them will clog up. They will even expand after passing thru the wall.
 
over penetration is grossly overstated. Most rounds are missed anyway, especially out of a pistol. Whether it's FMJ or JHP, it's going through walls no doubt. The only thing that will stop them is the exterior layer of brick, should your home be built that way. If you have family members in the home, the possibility of them getting hit by FMJ or JHP is the same. Likewise if you live in an apartment, EVERYTHING will go through walls, unless you're using some birdshot or those "glaser" junk rounds....

In my opinion, I don't think there's anything wrong with using FMJ for home defense. It can hit vitals, that's all that matters to me.
 
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