9mm horribly inaccurate

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ExAgoradzo

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New to autoloaders.

Took my 9 mm out today and at the 7 yard line I'd line up the 3 dots and it kept hitting low left (by several inches!).

Is there something obvious I'm missing. I've taken it apart and cleaned it; might I have put it together wrong? I haven't given it to a friend yet to see if it is just the operator...but I'm not that bad with a wheel gun

Since I'm here I wanted to ask: haven't been led wrong by THR yet...:)

Ruger P89

Thanks.
 
Reassembling it incorrectly shouldn't affect accuracy and precision.. if you put it together wrong it wouldn't be much but a paperweight after the first shot or no shots at all.

Get your friend to fire it. Whenever I troubleshoot something, I look for consistency to help identify the problem. So if both you and your friend can consistently shoot low left.. go from there.
 
Took my 9 mm out today and at the 7 yard line I'd line up the 3 dots and it kept hitting low left (by several inches!).
this sounds like a fundamentals of marksmanship issue. So many people i see at ranges, and hear at courses, and at the gun shop say it is the gun. 99% of the time it is not the gun. What make and model is it? Just out of curiosity.
 
I agree, get a friend to shoot and see if he has the same problem. If so, it very well could be the sights. Troubleshooting time........
 
Ruger P89

These are my FiL's old reloads he gave me since I just got this (new to me) auto.

Shoot right.

Understood on the fundamentals: I'm not a great shot with my wheel guns, but I was flat ashamed today! :(
 
Sounds like "fishing" and is a trigger control issue. You're reacting to the recoil by pushing the barrel down and to the left before the gun ever goes off. It's very common and can be corrected by extensive dry-fire practice then live fire with dummy loads mixed into the real ones. You will quickly see what you're doing wrong. Having a coach might be helpful but, this error is so obvious you can't miss it.
 
Make sure you are not pulling the gun with your support hand, maybe you need to loosen up there a bit...add that to the trigger advice given. As a right handed shooter, that little adjustment made the difference between left of bull, and bull.
 
"...These are my FiL's old reloads..." Pitch 'em, Your Ruger doesn't like 'em. And never use other people's handloads.
How well does it fit your hand?
Have a look at the Lee Left and Right handed diagram here too. About half way down. Targets are downloadable too.
http://www.reloadbench.com/pdf.html
 
Thanks for the advice. Not ashamed to take it.

I'll bring the targets and my friend with me next time.

Just ordered some Saf-t-trainers: thanks.

Molon Labe!
 
Don't forget to bring some quality factory ammunition, too. Something in the neighborhood of 124-142 grains. Lighter loads may shoot low due to you pushing the gun downward anticipating recoil that isn't there.
Watch finger placement, as was mentioned. Too much finger in the trigger guard frequently pushes the gun away from the hand (I'm assuming you're right-handed.)
 
At 7 yards it's hard for me to imagine the ammunition has much to do with the accuracy unless the bullet doesn't fit the bore at all.

Ignoring where the bullets strike the paper, how large is the grouping?

For starters, try changing the position of your finger on the trigger. When you pull the trigger pull it straight back. Imagine moving your finger towards your nose.
 
Shoot some commercial standard load ammo like Win White Box, Federal, Magtech, Rem, etc.

Shoot slowly with your elbows resting on the bench and the pistol free to recoil, stronghand as high as possible on the grip and weakhand covering as much more of the grip as possible---both thumbs pointed generally at the target. Use a slow deliberate trigger press using the 'pad' of your trigger finger--not in or behind the first joint.

Don't look for where the bullets hit, just use the exact same sight picture for 5 slow careful shots at that same 7 yd distance.

This should help check the pistol and minimize shooter error.

If your POI or group size improves noticeably, work on grip, stance & trigger press--it's a shooter problem.
 
You're flinching.

Being "not too bad with a revolver" implies that you fire said revolver single action. The lighter pull allows for a better surprise break than the P89
 
I'll second the advice about ignoring the dots. I have an American Tactical copy of the M9 that I couldn't shoot consistently with. It drove me nuts until I concentrated on just the profile of the sights and not lining up the dots. I love shooting it now and am quite accurate with it.
 
Low left is jerking the trigger...


NO! WAIT! Might be the gun. Ruger P89? Definitely the gun. Give ya a hunnert bucks for it. I need parts...;)
 
Having experience with revolvers, the following may go without saying but I'll share this anyway.

The most productive advice I received when first getting into pistols was to forget about lining up the sights and simply keep the front site on the target. Provided that you're holding the pistol correctly and possess decent trigger-control, the sights will pretty much align themselves.

Granted, there's more to accurate shooting than focusing on your front sight, but it certainly set me in the right direction. I remember being frustrated by being all over the paper at 15 yards unless I spent great effort keeping the sights aligned. Now that I simply focus on the front site, I rarely have a round stray from the black even at a rapid pace at 15 yards. For me, that's good enough.
 
ExAgoradzo said:
Ruger P89
About 15 years back, we were evaluating several semi-autos for a particular slow-fire match stage that was setup more like a Bullseye match than our typical fast action USPSA match (we wanted to do something different and targets were set at 10-15-25-50 yards).

To our surprise, out of various pistols tested off sandbags at 25/50 yards, P89 produced one of smaller shot groups using our match reloads (IIRC, around 2.5" at 25 yards and 4-5" at 50 yards).

These are my FiL's old reloads he gave me since I just got this (new to me) auto.
At 7-10 yards, P89 is capable of producing single hole shot groups. I would be suspicious of the quality of the old reloads and try shooting some new factory ammo. Even Winchester white box ammo produces sub 2" shot groups at 7-10 yards out of most factory semi-autos.

As to point of impact (POI) being different from point of aim (POA), it may be either your trigger control and/or the sights. For semi-auto triggers, the pad of your index finger should be used to "press" the trigger straight back and not your first index finger joint to "pull" the trigger. If the shot groups are tight with new factory ammo but POI is different from POA left to right, adjust your rear sight. If your POI is lower than POA, you are anticipating recoil and pushing down on the pistol.

Also, dry fire while watching the front sight. If you are moving the front sight as you drop the hammer, practice trigger control/hammer release until the front sight doesn't move (or move minimally). I use this technique to make my pistol selection when buying any new/used pistol. If the front sight moves significantly when hammer/striker is fired, I try another pistol sample and buy the one that doesn't move (or move minimally). At 7 yards, this slight movement won't make much difference to shot groups but at 15-25 yards, this slight movement will make a significant difference on the size of shot groups.

Hope this helps. :D
 
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Dollars to donuts, low left for a right hander shooter is the shooter.

Dry fire with a cheap laser is a good place to start.
 
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