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Raylan Givens. If he was busy I would reach out to Rip Wheeler.
A 2 on 2 Legendary Gunfight. Who Is Your Pick As Your Partner?
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nofendertom
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Jerry Lewis and Glenn Ford were TV people (gun handlers) not gunfighters---along that line you could add Sammy Davis, Buddy Hackett and Mel Torme.
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Carlos Hathcock would be comforting.
1911junkee
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And, you wouldn't really need to tag along!
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This is not meant to be demeaning of Jeff Cooper. He did not participate in ground combat during WW2. He was the Marine Detachment commander on the battle ship Pennsylvania. He did do bombardment fire assessment aftermath as part of his duties. He did not participate in the Korean War but did do clandestine service in the far east. I have several books including (7) from Wisdom Publishing concerning Cooper. Cooper established a doctrine by study of the subject as opposed to actual experience.
Jordan served in the Marine Corps during WW2. he essentially commanded a detachment that did mop-up of by passed Japanese pockets of resentence. I do not know what Jordan did during the Korean War. He ended his duties with the Border Patrol after a tragic shooting incident of another Border Patrol Officer.
Askins exploits are are more well known and documented. Of the previously mentioned Jeff Cooper and Jordan, Askins was a combatant of note!
Jordan served in the Marine Corps during WW2. he essentially commanded a detachment that did mop-up of by passed Japanese pockets of resentence. I do not know what Jordan did during the Korean War. He ended his duties with the Border Patrol after a tragic shooting incident of another Border Patrol Officer.
Askins exploits are are more well known and documented. Of the previously mentioned Jeff Cooper and Jordan, Askins was a combatant of note!
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Old Dog
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For an example of cool under fire, read Audie Murphy's Medal of Honor citation.
2d Lt. Murphy commanded Company B, which was attacked by 6 tanks and waves of infantry. 2d Lt. Murphy ordered his men to withdraw to prepared positions in a woods, while he remained forward at his command post and continued to give fire directions to the artillery by telephone. Behind him, to his right, 1 of our tank destroyers received a direct hit and began to burn. Its crew withdrew to the woods. 2d Lt. Murphy continued to direct artillery fire which killed large numbers of the advancing enemy infantry. With the enemy tanks abreast of his position, 2d Lt. Murphy climbed on the burning tank destroyer, which was in danger of blowing up at any moment, and employed its .50 caliber machine gun against the enemy. He was alone and exposed to German fire from 3 sides, but his deadly fire killed dozens of Germans and caused their infantry attack to waver. The enemy tanks, losing infantry support, began to fall back. For an hour the Germans tried every available weapon to eliminate 2d Lt. Murphy, but he continued to hold his position and wiped out a squad which was trying to creep up unnoticed on his right flank. Germans reached as close as 10 yards, only to be mowed down by his fire. He received a leg wound, but ignored it and continued the single-handed fight until his ammunition was exhausted. He then made his way to his company, refused medical attention, and organized the company in a counterattack which forced the Germans to withdraw. His directing of artillery fire wiped out many of the enemy; he killed or wounded about 50. 2d Lt. Murphy's indomitable courage and his refusal to give an inch of ground saved his company from possible encirclement and destruction, and enabled it to hold the woods which had been the enemy's objective.
This citation doesn't even really do justice to Murphy in terms of depicting how hellish his situation was. If we're talking real people (deceased or otherwise), I'd want a partner with this type of courage. His courage was not a one-time deal, either -- if you've studied the man, you know this type of action was his norm. Among those who've displayed uncommon valor, Murphy's actions stand head and shoulders above all.
2d Lt. Murphy commanded Company B, which was attacked by 6 tanks and waves of infantry. 2d Lt. Murphy ordered his men to withdraw to prepared positions in a woods, while he remained forward at his command post and continued to give fire directions to the artillery by telephone. Behind him, to his right, 1 of our tank destroyers received a direct hit and began to burn. Its crew withdrew to the woods. 2d Lt. Murphy continued to direct artillery fire which killed large numbers of the advancing enemy infantry. With the enemy tanks abreast of his position, 2d Lt. Murphy climbed on the burning tank destroyer, which was in danger of blowing up at any moment, and employed its .50 caliber machine gun against the enemy. He was alone and exposed to German fire from 3 sides, but his deadly fire killed dozens of Germans and caused their infantry attack to waver. The enemy tanks, losing infantry support, began to fall back. For an hour the Germans tried every available weapon to eliminate 2d Lt. Murphy, but he continued to hold his position and wiped out a squad which was trying to creep up unnoticed on his right flank. Germans reached as close as 10 yards, only to be mowed down by his fire. He received a leg wound, but ignored it and continued the single-handed fight until his ammunition was exhausted. He then made his way to his company, refused medical attention, and organized the company in a counterattack which forced the Germans to withdraw. His directing of artillery fire wiped out many of the enemy; he killed or wounded about 50. 2d Lt. Murphy's indomitable courage and his refusal to give an inch of ground saved his company from possible encirclement and destruction, and enabled it to hold the woods which had been the enemy's objective.
This citation doesn't even really do justice to Murphy in terms of depicting how hellish his situation was. If we're talking real people (deceased or otherwise), I'd want a partner with this type of courage. His courage was not a one-time deal, either -- if you've studied the man, you know this type of action was his norm. Among those who've displayed uncommon valor, Murphy's actions stand head and shoulders above all.
entropy
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Carlos Hathcock.
I take this thread as a true life and death situation where an active shooter bursts in on an innocent group. I would choose someone like Jack Wilson because he could end the bad situation quickly. I don’t ever want to be in a gun fight and anyone in their right mind also would not want to be in a gunfight. Seems strange we have to spell this out but the world is a bit unhinged right now.
DustyGmt
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It's so funny this thread came up, I was just talking to my uncle about jim cirillo yesterday. I was talking about how I loved guns from an early age, obviously because I enjoyed shooting them but also because when I was 8-10 years old, we didnt have fancy smart devices besides playstation and X box and my interest in firearms grew early on in large part because my uncle subscribed to just about every firearm publication, magazines, books, etc... and he had a giant cardboard box about the footprint of a pallet andabout 5 feet tall filled to the brim with expired issues of Guns Magazine, G&A, shooting times, etc...I would pick Jim Cirillo from that list.
Of course, I don’t go looking for gunfights
I would love getting new issues that he passed down to me and I would read Cooper, Massad, Clint and many others but the stories about Jim Cirillo and his exploits on the NYPD stakeout squad were really captivating, I was recalling some of them to my uncle but he didnt recall his name, my uncle more or less flipped through them to see the guns and then went out and bought them, I read hundreds of issues, maybe thousands idk. He was a good gunfighter. Some of you guys might think he was hyped up or whatever but I liked reading about him and of course many others.....
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MacAR
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I have one of his books. He'd be my second pick. Guy was (is?) hellaciously street smart. Not that I have any desire to be in a gunfight with anyone. Save maybe a BB gun fight with my kid brother, but just for old times sake. I'm too d@mned old to get shot at anymore.
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DustyGmt
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Yeah, it was obvious that his instincts and focus was razor sharp and he was in the "Zone". Definitely an impressive man with lots and lots of training and real world experience.
About being in a gunfight, I would say most if not all of us never want to find ourselves in a situation where ourselves or loved ones are put in harm's way and gun fighting is the only option left, but if we are being honest we have all thought about it.
I didnt take the question as if we were having a fantasy all expense paid trip to a gunfight, I took it more as "who do you think is the most skilled in this realm" kind of thing. But I guess if you were going to have a wild west fantasy and entertain the thought for a moment, there is no harm in that either, we dont have to be so deadly serious all the time, no pun intended. On the other hand I know there are those on this forum who have taken life and understandably wouldnt want to participate and resent the topic.....
MacAR
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I'd agree with that assessment. Which is why I'd choose Frank Hamer. If half the stories are true, he's the epitome of one riot, one ranger. Who better to have on your side when things go south? Of,course nothing against Jim Cirillo, Jelly Bryce (another favorite), or any of the others. Just about any of the real, old-time "gunfighters" would do to ride the river with. The Hollywood boys, not so much.
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Even though the OP might have meant in a fantasy, for a real gunfight--probably none of them.
The man who was just awarded the Congr. Medal of Honor - who rushed more than once into a burning bldg. while fired at by many ISIS psychos-- is my only choice.
This choice isn't valid, but such men, among many other soldiers (or some LEOs: Blue Lives Also Matter), have actually "walked the walk" and been willing to die.
Hartkopf posted the photo of a guy I had forgotten about.
This brave gent by the church near San Antonio might not even have suitable training (-I have no idea-), but he knew how to react.
It would be difficult --for most untrained civilians--not to freeze, at least for a minute or so, when confronted with the totally unexpected?
The man who was just awarded the Congr. Medal of Honor - who rushed more than once into a burning bldg. while fired at by many ISIS psychos-- is my only choice.
This choice isn't valid, but such men, among many other soldiers (or some LEOs: Blue Lives Also Matter), have actually "walked the walk" and been willing to die.
Hartkopf posted the photo of a guy I had forgotten about.
This brave gent by the church near San Antonio might not even have suitable training (-I have no idea-), but he knew how to react.
It would be difficult --for most untrained civilians--not to freeze, at least for a minute or so, when confronted with the totally unexpected?
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Alte Schule
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This guy.
Sgt. Adam Johnson Austin Texas Police Department
December 6, 2014
From Perry Chiaramonte Fox News:
Holding the reins of two horses with one hand, Austin Police Sgt. Adam Johnson raised his service pistol and fired a bullseye into the target some 312
feet away.
Down went Larry McQuilliams, and so ended his rampage through the streets of the Texas capital, where he’d fired more than 100 rounds from his AK-47 and .22-caliber rifles at buildings. The shot, from Johnson’s Smith & Wesson M&P .40 pistol, hit McQuilliams square in the chest and made the 15-year-veteran the toast of gun enthusiasts around the country.
At a minimum, it was extraordinary shot,” said Army Maj. John Plaster, a retired Special Forces operator, long-range shooting expert and author of “The Ultimate Sniper: An Advanced Training Manual for Military and Police Snipers.”
It’s not impossible,” Plaster added. “Wild Bill Hickok shot bad guys from a hundred yards away with a
handgun, but he was also a great shot.
McQuilliams, 49, had multiple weapons, hundreds of rounds of ammunition and a map of 34 downtown buildings that likely were potential targets in his pre-dawn rampage the day after Thanksgiving, according to Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo. He’d already shot up the Mexican consulate, the federal courthouse and a downtown bank.
“For a guy to keep his composure and holding two horses with one hand and taking a one-hand shot with the other hand, it says a lot about the training and professionalism of our police department,” Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo said to the Austin American-Statesman.
Sgt. Adam Johnson Austin Texas Police Department
December 6, 2014
From Perry Chiaramonte Fox News:
Holding the reins of two horses with one hand, Austin Police Sgt. Adam Johnson raised his service pistol and fired a bullseye into the target some 312
feet away.
Down went Larry McQuilliams, and so ended his rampage through the streets of the Texas capital, where he’d fired more than 100 rounds from his AK-47 and .22-caliber rifles at buildings. The shot, from Johnson’s Smith & Wesson M&P .40 pistol, hit McQuilliams square in the chest and made the 15-year-veteran the toast of gun enthusiasts around the country.
At a minimum, it was extraordinary shot,” said Army Maj. John Plaster, a retired Special Forces operator, long-range shooting expert and author of “The Ultimate Sniper: An Advanced Training Manual for Military and Police Snipers.”
It’s not impossible,” Plaster added. “Wild Bill Hickok shot bad guys from a hundred yards away with a
handgun, but he was also a great shot.
McQuilliams, 49, had multiple weapons, hundreds of rounds of ammunition and a map of 34 downtown buildings that likely were potential targets in his pre-dawn rampage the day after Thanksgiving, according to Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo. He’d already shot up the Mexican consulate, the federal courthouse and a downtown bank.
“For a guy to keep his composure and holding two horses with one hand and taking a one-hand shot with the other hand, it says a lot about the training and professionalism of our police department,” Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo said to the Austin American-Statesman.
sparkyfender
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Askins for sheer cold nerve.
Some people have ventured he was a possible sociopath, and I believe he pretty much admitted killing gave him pleasure, both man and animal. Some of his border shootings would land him in prison today, but those were different times, and he definitely was a shooter with no qualms.
Some people have ventured he was a possible sociopath, and I believe he pretty much admitted killing gave him pleasure, both man and animal. Some of his border shootings would land him in prison today, but those were different times, and he definitely was a shooter with no qualms.
DustyGmt
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Disagree with my assessment about jim or my assessment about putting the question into its proper context, as in the OP isnt saying that we are all sitting fingers crossed hoping for a gunfight?
I dont even know 5-6 names on that list, jim is a safety pick. I'm sure the other names on there could have higher body count or more war stories but I know specifically of jim's reaction speed know he has won more than a couple gun battles. Now in terms of speed, nobody can touch Mr. Miculek. He is an animal. He might not have operational gun fighting experience but definitely most rounds down range out of them all combined I bet. The boy can shoot.......
I've been watching Rob Leatham videos on speed shooting and at the end of one, he basically states: I may not have killed anyone, but I don't think anyone wants to get in a gunfight with me. I could say that about many of the good competitive shooters and trick shooters on the list. I'll still stand by my choice of Jordan, but now I need to go read about Askins.
A speed or trick shooter with the right mindset, that would be hard to beat. Just never know about anybody until a barrel is pointed at them.
MacAR
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No, I agree with what you said on both counts. I feel the same way re: the list and the question itself.
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DustyGmt
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Oh, lol. Must have been a lil too late and looked at your quote a lil cross eyed, I thought I read "disagree". I now see it clearly says "agree".
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