A Case for guns in Churches

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Once again it is brought up...if it is Concealed, then why worry about if it is "illegal"...God forbid should you ever need to use it, then what happens happens. I for one know of many that carry, and feel real well about all in our congregation that if anything were to happen, things would be taken care of with minimal innocent victims.
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I understand what you are saying but here at The High Road, only legal advice is allowed.
 
I remember a story from several years back (around 2007, IIRC)..

The St. Stevens AME Church in Toledo, OH was taken over by 2 or 3 armed thugs that took money, jewelry, etc from Sunday Worshippers. Children of members were also threatened by those thugs.
 
It is legal to carry in Arizona in a church. I am a church officer and I carry every Sunday. I suspect I'm not the only one.
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Allow me to confirm your suspicion Brother Nomad.
 
No offense to the OP, but posting this here is likely to just receive a bunch of "at a boy" comments and pats on the back.
Of course we think you should be able to carry a gun in church or anywhere else for legitimate self-defense.
 
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

My sword is called Glock.
 
A church is private property.

The decision to allow or forbid guns or anything else for that matter should be left up to the members who catually OWN the church, not the state.
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Quite so.

If, however, your chosen philosophy or religion discourages you from taking reasonable and prudent steps to protect yourself and your loved ones from men who would do evil, I respectfully submit that it is your chosen religion or philosophy that needs to be questioned, not the principle of self-defense.
 
Recently high number of worshiping Christians have been attacked and killed in churches worldwide by terrorists....would be prudent to be prepared than to be another statistic.
 
In speaking with a pastor I know, he mentioned that this conversation recently came up between him and some of the senior members of his church.
Their conclusion was that from a legal standpoint, it is better that he as a pastor does not carry (he said he would be uncomfortable with that anyhow). At the same time, he noted that he thinks several of his members carry concealed, including one retired LEO. He's happier not knowing for sure but comforted by the fact that someone could stop an attacker.

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

My sword is called Glock.
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Isn't that followed by a response that there are already a couple swords in the crowd, to which Christ says something to the effect of "that'll do."?
I feel that people often misunderstand or misrepresent Luke 22:36. What does provide evidence that it was acceptable for his followers to be armed was that there were already weapons in the crowd and he apparently didn't do anything to discourage that.
 
That's right, and if you look at the reason he wanted the swords, it was so he would be 'numbered with the transgressors'.

36 Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37 For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end." 38 So they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough."
 
Congregation packing= Better quality of sermons and decreased length of time. Much less time spent chasing "rabbits".
 
I do, however, try to know who else is carrying and where they are sitting so that we don't cause innocent people to get caught in a crossfire.
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My son enjoys playing spot the CCW in church. Every so often he'll nudge me and point at somebody w/ a knowing grin. In my youth I just counted the ceiling tiles when the sermon got too long. (And as to whether or not I'm "one of them", concealed means concealed).
 
Church is a good a place as any to carry...maybe even better than some. As mentioned above, it seems Christians are becoming more of a target.
 
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