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A few words about 9x18 pistols

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AZAndy

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There are five models of pistol chambered in 9x18 commonly available in the United States. I recently got the last of the five, despite having no actual use for it, just so I could have the complete set. Yes, the collector’s mind is irrational. They’re listed in worst-to-best order, according to my opinions.

Here are some thoughts about each:

The FEG PA-63:
There was a time a few years ago when the country seemed awash in these Hungarian pistols. I first encountered one in a tiny gunshop in Wickenburg, AZ, while looking for a .22 single-shot rifle to use as a training tool for a young lad. I found such a rifle, bought it, and looked the pistol up on the internet when I got home. I went back and bought it for $89 the next day. The same tiny gunshop also had 9x18 XTP reloads for it, so I got a hundred of those as well.

Within a few days, I found a little spare time and drove a ways into the desert to try it out. It was accurate enough to suit me, although the light frame and odd ergonomics made it a bit snappy, recoil-wise. It seemed like a good cheap choice for a truck gun, so I put it in the van and there it stayed until the van was stolen a couple of months later. I got both the van and the gun back eventually, but that’s another story— the short version is that the pistol was used to rob a drugstore of cash and antihistamines. I don’t leave guns in vehicles anymore.

Double-action on these is despicable. My trigger gauge maxes out at 11 pounds, and that’s not enough for this one. It’s not Nagant-revolver-bad, but it’s not good. Single action is a gritty 5 1/4 lbs .

There’s no slide release; after inserting a fresh magazine, you pull back on the slide to reload.
The palm swell on the back of the grip is peculiar and uncomfortable. Perhaps someone with larger hands would find it suitable. Between that and the lack of heft, it’s not much fun to shoot.
These are cheaply made pistols, and look it. That said, they’re reliable and accurate enough that I’d carry one if I had to, and would be a suitable option for the budget-challenged if there is still any availability.

Specs:
Magazine capacity: 7
Barrel: 3.9”
Unloaded weight: 1 lb 5 oz
Loaded weight: 1 lb 8 oz
Decocker/safety (RH only) up-to-fire, frame-side magazine release (RH only), aluminum alloy frame


The Polish Radom P-64:
Speaking of despicable double-action, this one also goes beyond my gauge’s maximum. I’d guess it to be about 20 pounds. Single action is 4 1/4 lbs., and very clean— not crisp, but not gritty, with a distinct and noticeable reset. Like the PA-63 above, there’s no slide release.

There’s a loaded chamber indicator on the back of the slide, which I don’t personally care about, but some people do. The sights are sort of there, once you can find them. It’s accurate enough though unpleasant to shoot— I’m told that new springs from Wolff can improve both the double-action and the recoil, and I may try those remedies one day.

It’s little-bitty and it’s well-crafted from actual steel, so it’s got that going for it. The bore is chromed, which I always like. It’s slender enough that pocket carry wouldn’t be out of the question. I wouldn’t have any trouble carrying one if I was okay with such a small capacity— it might make a nifty backup gun. Unfortunately, the magazine release is on the heel, which I have an unreasonable prejudice against.

Specs:
Magazine capacity: 6
Barrel: 3.3”
Unloaded weight: 1 lb 5 oz
Loaded weight: 1 lb 7 oz
Decocker/safety (RH only) up-to-fire, heel magazine release (boo!)

Another Radom: the Wanad P-83:
This is the one I got for the sole purpose of completing the set. It’s made of stamped steel, and thus has a somewhat cheap look and feel, but is perfectly reliable. The slide release is positioned well and has nice little grippy-grooves, though it’s a bit ugly in that it’s just a piece of flat steel bent into a curve.

The trigger is about 12-14 lbs, which I’m guessing by comparing it to a new J-Frame. Single action is 5 1/4 lbs and nothing special.

The grip is a little blocky, though not quite Glockishly so. Sadly, the bottom of it has another one of those damnable heel magazine releases. The bore is chromed (yay!). I’ve had no accuracy or reliability troubles. It’s a little more bulky than it needs to be, so if I had a choice between this and the CZ-82 for carry, I’d take the latter and get an extra 4 rounds.

Specs:
Magazine capacity: 8
Barrel: 3.5”
Unloaded weight: 1 lb 9 oz
Loaded weight: 1 lb 12 oz
Decocker/safety (RH only) down-to-fire, heel magazine release (boo again!)



And now, the actual Makarov:
Mine’s a Russian IJ-70, with adjustable rear sight. Why you’d want to adjust the rear when the front is nearly invisible is a question to ponder. Of course, my eyes are older than the rest of me, other than my knees, so maybe that’s just a personal problem on my part.

It’s easy to see why this pistol has so many fans. It’s well-made, accurate, comfortable to shoot, and easy to operate. Double-action is 12 pounds, and single is 6. The grip is a bit more vertical than the other offerings in this loading, which results in better pointability for me. The slide release is even more amusing than the Wanad’s— it’s just a slightly bent piece of flat steel. Russian manufacture seems to specialize in the simple and durable (hello, AK!) and this pistol is a prime example of the genius in that way of thinking. I wouldn’t hesitate to carry one of these, despite the location of the magazine release, though better sights would be on order if I did so all the time.

Specs:
Magazine capacity: 8
Barrel: 3.7”
Unloaded weight: 1 lb 8 oz
Loaded weight: 1 lb 11 oz
Decocker/safety (RH only) down-to-fire, heel magazine release (oh, all right, I give up)


The CZ-82:
If this had a better finish on it, it would be the Rolls-Royce of the genre. It’s apparently sprayed with black Testor’s enamel, which tends to chip off (especially on the slide). The first time I saw one of these, I laughed at it and mocked it because of its completely ludicrous trigger guard, which throws all its aesthetics off-balance. Then I picked one up and held it. When the grip for this pistol was designed, CZ must have found a model whose hands are identical to mine. Hello and thank you, hand-twin Czech person! After I was finished apologizing to the gun for my hasty judgment (turns out the funny-looking guard is so you can wear gloves, like you might need to do in Czech-land sometimes), I bought it and took it on a range date. And fell in love.

If, like me, you spend a lot of time with 1911s, the controls on the 82 will all be familiar to you. The substantial slide release is right where it should be, and the frame-mounted thumb safety goes the same way as your 1911 (you can even ride the safety if you want). You can even carry this in condition 1, just like you would with your 1911, though the double-action is not so horrible that you’d actually have to. Even the slide release is where you’d expect it to be.

It’s quite accurate, points well, the white-dot sights are not invisible, and there are 12 rounds with which to do your work. Though a double-stack, the grip is not unreasonably thick, and is perfectly concealable under a Hawaiian shirt. The bore is not only chrome-plated, it also has polygonal rifling— this makes for speedy cleaning, in my experience, and I wish all barrels were polygonal. Double action is at 10 lbs., with single at 5 1/4.

Alone amongst the 9x18s, this pistol has ambidextrous controls, so rejoice, my sinister colleagues!


Specs:
Magazine capacity: 12
Barrel: 3.8”
Unloaded weight: 1 lb 11 oz
Loaded weight: 1 lb 15 1/2 oz
Ambidextrous 1911-style thumb safety, ambidextrous frame-side magazine release

It has just occurred to me that some photos might be a good thing, so I will see about getting some together and posting them here.
 
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Sorry for the delay-- I forgot I couldn't upload to the site directly, so I had to go get an FTP client. Coulda done it in terminal, but no need to be primitive.

The promised photos:

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This is the FEG.

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P-64.

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The P-82.

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The venerable Makarov.

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And the CZ-82.
 
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That was more than a few words. :D

Thanks for taking the time to post 'em.
 
I've got two IJs and a Circle 10. They're all straight shooters. This is the Circle 10. In action, before being Cerakoted and furnished with tritium sites.

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I had the alterations done after that shooting pic was taken. It was such a fine shooter that I couldn't resist taking it in and having the work done.

Edit: I kept that fat grip on account that it really takes the whack out of the 9x18. Those skinny grips get painful after a box. Painful for Old Sims, that is.
 
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I have the P-64, both Makarovs you mention, and the CZ 82.

I think the CZ 82 is the real standout of a shooter. For me, it was the gun that stated a long and expensive love affair with CZ's.
 
AZ Andy. Where is your Bulgarian Mak? East German?. No East Bloc collection is complete without them.
1. Hungarian PA 63
2. Polish P64, p83
3. E.G. Mak
4. Bulgarian Mak
5. Czech Republic CZ82
6. Russian Mak
(Could also add Commie China Mak if you can find one)
 
Good write-up!

Not sure why you have such a negative opinion on the heel mag release. I have never had a heel release gun unexpectedly expel a mag, while "normal" guns have done so many times.
 
I've had several Makarov's over the years but only an E.German left. All these
guns are incredibly accurate and incredibly easy to field strip to clean. They also make excellent CC guns. I've yet to have one malfunction.
 
AZAndy

Great write-up and review. Your experiences with the incredibly heavy trigger pulls on the PA63 and P64 mirror my own experiences with those guns to a "T". My pick of the lot would also be the CZ82 as being the most user friendly and enjoyable to shoot.
 
I picked up 3 Bulgarian Makarovs back when they were cheap, paid a whopping $125 each including shipping and transfer fees. My son got one for his 21st birthday (he will be 35 this year), my wife loves hers as her favorite handgun, and the 3rd one resides in the quick grab fireproof lockbox that contains our important documents, some cash and junk silver, 3 loaded magazines and an additional 50 round box of ammo.

Purchased a CZ82 a couple of years ago. Nice pistol with nice controls for a lefty like me. I don't think mine had ever been shot prior to my getting it, and the finish is perfect. Fun gun at the range, but the wife still prefers her Makarov.
 
I have a Bulgarian Makarov, and it is indeed a fine pistol. I'd carry it, but it's in such pristine condition I don't want to inflict any holster wear just yet.

I do own a FEG, but it's a .22LR built off the PA-63 platform. Incredibly well-finished; it looks like it's millimeters deep in bluing. Crisp shooter but, being a rimfire, it's trigger is horrendous, all but unusable in DA mode.

I actually kind of want a P-64..
 
I had two Maks a couple of years ago....Bulgy and Russian. Either sold or traded them or one of each as I wasn't shooting them very much (in favor of .38 and 9mm).

Now, as tempted as I am to add one or two to the safe, I'm wondering where they fit in the scheme of things: with the advent of micro-mini 9mms is 9x18 better for concealed carry than 9x19? My Shield is every bit as small as I recall my Maks; polymer versus steel (lighter to carry); and my backup daily carry, a S&W 908, is about the same weight as the Maks.

Sooo.....in terms of range fun I can see them. In terms of practical use, not as much. Besides the concepts of "shoot what makes you happy" and "why not," am I missing something here. (As far as those who collect, I certainly understand that....as a guy with a bunch of Stars and couple of Astras...which not only have no "practical" value versus polymer carry guns, but are sketchy when it comes to trying to find replacement parts.)
 
AZ Andy. Where is your Bulgarian Mak? East German?. No East Bloc collection is complete without them.
1. Hungarian PA 63
2. Polish P64, p83
3. E.G. Mak
4. Bulgarian Mak
5. Czech Republic CZ82
6. Russian Mak
(Could also add Commie China Mak if you can find one)
I just wanted at least one of each model-- I see the East German and other Makarovs as variations, not distinctly different models. I do have more than one of some of the pistols mentioned, so maybe that makes up for my lack? ;)
 
Good write-up!

Not sure why you have such a negative opinion on the heel mag release. I have never had a heel release gun unexpectedly expel a mag, while "normal" guns have done so many times.
It's an unreasonable prejudice, to be sure. I just like having the release where my thumb expects it to be, not hidden way down under. With a heel release, sometimes I can release and remove the magazine with my left hand while gripping the gun normally, and sometimes I can't. More practice might help, but I'm a lazy man.
 
I had two Maks a couple of years ago....Bulgy and Russian. Either sold or traded them or one of each as I wasn't shooting them very much (in favor of .38 and 9mm).

Now, as tempted as I am to add one or two to the safe, I'm wondering where they fit in the scheme of things: with the advent of micro-mini 9mms is 9x18 better for concealed carry than 9x19? My Shield is every bit as small as I recall my Maks; polymer versus steel (lighter to carry); and my backup daily carry, a S&W 908, is about the same weight as the Maks.

Sooo.....in terms of range fun I can see them. In terms of practical use, not as much. Besides the concepts of "shoot what makes you happy" and "why not," am I missing something here. (As far as those who collect, I certainly understand that....as a guy with a bunch of Stars and couple of Astras...which not only have no "practical" value versus polymer carry guns, but are sketchy when it comes to trying to find replacement parts.)
I think it will make sense if you consider that I also have a Nagant revolver. ;)

What started me thinking and then writing about 9x18s was the thread about guns under $300. If somebody's budget-restricted and needs a home or carry piece, some of these old Commie guns might come in handy-- provided that being equipped with what's basically a hot .380 is satisfactory. For me, they're mostly toys, though I will occasionally carry a CZ-82 loaded with XTP in the summer.
 
I've got two IJs and a Circle 10. They're all straight shooters. This is the Circle 10. In action, before being Cerakoted and furnished with tritium sites.
Wow, that's a great set of sights-- are those Novaks? The coating ain't too shabby, either. Very nice! Hmm, I've thought about doing a refinish on the least pretty of my CZ-82s... did you do the finish yourself?
 
I have three Makaovs. Two Bulgies, and an EG. Neither have adjustable sights. The Russian Commercial Maks were newly made guns and thus needed the adjustable sights for US import points. The others are surplus, and don't require it.

Of all the 9x18's I like the Makarov (PM), and the Polish P-83 the best. I like the heel mag release. Once you train with it a bit, it works well, and very quickly. I carry a P-83 daily now. It is a quality weapon of stamped steel, and not cheaply made at all. It is old world workmanship with a slightly modern (by those days) twist.
 
Wow, that's a great set of sights-- are those Novaks? The coating ain't too shabby, either. Very nice! Hmm, I've thought about doing a refinish on the least pretty of my CZ-82s... did you do the finish yourself?
You are very astute. Yes, Novaks. My gunsmith did the Cerakote. He sent the Mak in by mail to Novaks to be milled for the sites. You would not believe how trashed out that Bulgie was when I 1st got it through Buds. But it shot so damned good that I knew I had to show it some TLC. That is a Cold War service pistol that has been brought into the 21st Century.

The day I picked it up at the gunshop - Uncle Stew's in Durant, Oklahoma.

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Well I've got 3 Makerovs - ruskie that I brought home from RVN, chicom, new in the box u. an e. German. Guess I should pick up a Bulgarian, but haven't gotten around to it. I also have a 2nd chicom that is my shooter.
I also have a PA 63 that I have had for about 20 yrs. It is my shooter! I was used to carrying a Walther and the PA 63 is a natural up grade, basicly same gun in a better caliber than 9mmK.
It seem to me that way to many people bash the PA 63 for a variety of reasons, None of them valid to me! I have a large hand and I have NO problem shooting the 63. Hell I started my niece shooting at 10 and one of the 4 handguns I took the 1st time was my PA 63. She liked it as well as any of the other 3, a 22, 380 u. 9mm.
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I've got a Bulgarian that I've carried. My wife adopted it, so I haven't carried it in about ten years or so. Was just looking at it tonight, and was thinking I'd like another, but then compared it to one of my 3913s, and said, nah, the sights aren't there on the Mak - can barely see them anymore. Guess if I find a finish-worn one for next to nothing, I could see putting some real sights and a refinish on it.
 
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