TallPine
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Well, pardon me if I don't cheer and clap
ochmude said:I've never been on school property with the intent to use my firearm. I've never displayed my firearm in a threatening manner. And before you say that this would turn "printing" into a federal felony or something to that extent, consider that OPEN carry is perfectly legal in VA, therefore there is no printing. All it's saying is that going to a school with the intent to shoot someone is illegal. I'm cool with that. Brandishing, which involves actually drawing the weapon and displaying it in a threatening manner in other than a legitimate self defense situation, is illegal. I'm cool with that as well. Both of those are already illegal. Now, if I have this wrong or you see it differently, I'm always open to having my mind changed. One of the hallmarks of someone who is pro-gun is our ability to respond well to logic and reason.
Lets not forget the many recent massacres on school campuses. Regarding schools, many gun owners around the country are consciously working on being able to carry on schools. Some students have decided to carry anyway to protect their lives, knowing that they are technically breaking the law. Maybe you'll have a daughter that you instruct to carry one day to protect her from getting raped. I surely hope she would have the "intent to use" it if need be. Also, I surely hope she displays the gun "in a threatening manner" if need be. Don't forget about that female student body president out in North Carolina who was abducted and killed in March 2008...
A society where everyone ignores the laws they feel are wrong is no society it is anarchy.
If we can't agree on even that point then we just need to agree to disagree.
Happiness said:I believe campus carry will be passed in VA in 2009. Likely at that point the Exile law will need to be changed to incorporate an exclusion for lawful defensive use.
If a law is wrong we need to change it. Advocating breaking a law because it is wrong weakens the entire judicial system. Ask 100 random people which laws should be ignored. You will get dozens of responses ranging speed limits to guns to drugs to prostitution to gambling.
A society where everyone ignores the laws they feel are wrong is no society it is anarchy.
If we can't agree on even that point then we just need to agree to disagree.
Just plain false. Government has specifically by the constitution been given the power to take away at least some rights in certain circumstances. Incarceration on its face is a massive denial of rights. You do the crime, you do the time, and you get whatever other baggage there is for doing the crime. No sympathy for violent criminals here. The fact is that virtually no violent criminals are ever really rehabilitated. The myth you are trying to present is just that - the myth of rehabilitation.First, logic would dictate the only rights the government can deny to any person are those it grants. The second amendment, I believe, is not a grant by the government of the right, but an acknowledgment of the right.
Who's advocating breaking a law?
If you can't imagine a situation where the need to carry surpasses the obligation to stay within the law, then you're out of touch.
It's hard to have a conversation about real topics with people who aren't willing to be real.