You have no idea how true that is. I live in the same town and used to work for the warehouse that supplies them. They HATE Wal-Mart with a passion. We were told if we purchased products that were used at the warehouse from Wal-Mart that we would be fired for it on the spot. We weren't exactly banned from personally shopping there but they did once compare Wal-Mart to the Devil at a staff meeting. I spend alot of money at that store currently but after seeing the sign (which I actually had to look for as it was not conspicously posted as the law requires) I am going to tell them I will be taking my business elsewhere.
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You have no idea how true that is. I live in the same town and used to work for the warehouse that supplies them. They HATE Wal-Mart with a passion. We were told if we purchased products that were used at the warehouse from Wal-Mart that we would be fired for it on the spot. We weren't exactly banned from personally shopping there but they did once compare Wal-Mart to the Devil at a staff meeting. I spend alot of money at that store currently but after seeing the sign (which I actually had to look for as it was not conspicously posted as the law requires) I am going to tell them I will be taking my business elsewhere.
I am with us as US citizens to have a gun but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What would yo do if your job prohibited you from having your concealed gun, would you quit your job?? I think you are kind of reaching here but I guess each his own.
I have discussed with people from the HR department at two places that I have been employed at and both confirmed that this this is from insurance/legal considerations. The "no weapons" policy results in less pay-out for lawsuits, and therefore lower insurance costs. Companies insure themselves for more than simple slip-and-fall type injury liability.
Please feel free to check with your local mid to large company yourself.
mlandman ~
The HR folks will say such things, but here's the kicker: Which insurance company(ies)? Have you seen the policy(ies)?
Seems to be a persistent rumor, and maybe there's some truth in it. But if so, it's kind of strange that no one ever cites the actual agency involved, or points to a boilerplate policy with the no-guns-on-premises language in it.
pax
The HR folks will say such things, but here's the kicker: Which insurance company(ies)? Have you seen the policy(ies)?
Seems to be a persistent rumor, and maybe there's some truth in it. But if so, it's kind of strange that no one ever cites the actual agency involved, or points to a boilerplate policy with the no-guns-on-premises language in it.
pax
That isn't really a fair comparison. Quitting a job based on their gun policy wouldn't really be the smartest thing to do especially in the small town I live in because it would require moving. I don't know that even if I could find a different job I would because mine is more of a career than a job. Granted moving from one Casey's for example (no insult intended) to another wouldn't be a big deal but being a computer programmer I have a lot of time and effort involved in a job so leaving and starting over is truly a hardship and not a decision to be taken lightly and I would just live with it.
However, in this case all this means is driving 5 more blocks (right now with construction it is a few more) to a different grocery store so it really isn't a big deal to me besides the inconvenience. It is more akin to not being treated fairly/politely at Wal-Mart and choosing to shop at Target instead.
I honestly hardly ever carry but to me the sign just doesn't make sense. All that it is doing is stopping law abiding people from carrying. Does the store owner honestly think that the criminals won't carry in their store because of a sign? I might be wrong but I think that in order to be considered a criminal you have to disregard the law but maybe I am mistaken in that? Right or wrong the store owner has the right to post the sign and I as a consumer have the right to shop elsewhere if I don't agree with their business practices and I am choosing to do so in this case.
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strat81,
Good on ya; an excellent letter and if you don't mind, I'd like to use a bit of it for my own template.
Good on ya; an excellent letter and if you don't mind, I'd like to use a bit of it for my own template.
Yes, everyone can copy/steal it if they would like to. And yes, I'd consider changing jobs if such a policy existed. I call BS on the insurance company thing. If such policies existed, wouldn't most/all insurance companies have them?
As CCW becomes more and more common, I submit that it is only a matter of time before a CCW-holder sues a business after they are victimized after they disarmed to enter the premises. I liken it to a business having construction on their property. The business increases the danger to customers but take steps to mitigate that danger (changing routes, adding signs, putting a flagman out, etc.).
Also, I don't carry 24/7. But I find the sign incredibly demeaning and insulting. Regardless of your race, would you shop at a store that said "No Blacks Allowed"? On principle, I would never give my hard-earned money to such morally repugnant enterprises. "No Guns Allowed" is a PC way of saying "Gun owners are lunatics." I don't like it when I am called a lunatic, a nut, a liar, untrustworthy, or a degenerate.
As CCW becomes more and more common, I submit that it is only a matter of time before a CCW-holder sues a business after they are victimized after they disarmed to enter the premises. I liken it to a business having construction on their property. The business increases the danger to customers but take steps to mitigate that danger (changing routes, adding signs, putting a flagman out, etc.).
Also, I don't carry 24/7. But I find the sign incredibly demeaning and insulting. Regardless of your race, would you shop at a store that said "No Blacks Allowed"? On principle, I would never give my hard-earned money to such morally repugnant enterprises. "No Guns Allowed" is a PC way of saying "Gun owners are lunatics." I don't like it when I am called a lunatic, a nut, a liar, untrustworthy, or a degenerate.
It is not, to my knowledge, spelled out as such. It IS discussed in "best practices" in HR policy seminars. The concept is that this reduces the overall amount of exposure to litigation that a company faces. HR departments are there for the company's benefit, not the employees'. Most companies will reduce their cost of doing business at the expense of employee safety, hence OSHA. The no weapons policy is part of HR's contribution to lower operating expenses. I will talk to the HR lady at the company I am contracting for now (IT consulting contract) to get her spin on it and will post later today.
vis-à-vis
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good stuff
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Yes, as a matter of fact that is EXACTLY what some people would do and when I say some people I'm talking about me personally.
Admittedly RKBA is not the -only- reason I'm doing so but it is a large part of the entire "quality of life" issues I'm having with where I work and live right now.
Mannlicher
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Strat, I guess it really is all about you. Like they are really going to change their corporate policy because you wrote a letter.
When I see a sign like that, I just ignore it, and conduct my business as I always do.
When I see a sign like that, I just ignore it, and conduct my business as I always do.
CanadianDad
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It is my understanding (for Texas at least) that individuals are not legally bound to these signs unless the sign is a certain size, with the proper text and with the exact wording of the legal statute used. Can anyone confirm this is also the case for Nebraska?
Mannlicher, it isn't "just about me" as you say. It is about my right to defend my family. It is about gun owners and CHP holders to maintain their dignity and not be treated like second class citizens. In the case of Nebraska, if no one spoke up, we wouldn't even have a CCW law. As for writing letters, some folks on www.ccwne.com have had success with writing letters and contacting store management. I respect and follow the law the best I can. I do not wish to commit a misdemeanor or lose my permit.
Perhaps you should ask Oleg to remove the "Activism" forum from THR since it apparently will serve no use to anyone. I'm glad we all don't just lay there and take it like you do.
See the Nebraska statutes:
http://uniweb.legislature.ne.gov/LegalDocs/view.php?page=s6924041000
http://uniweb.legislature.ne.gov/legaldocs/view.php?page=s6924043000
Nebraska does not have a specific law to address the design of the "No Guns Allowed" signs. Our CCW law also does not have preemption over local statutes either.
Perhaps you should ask Oleg to remove the "Activism" forum from THR since it apparently will serve no use to anyone. I'm glad we all don't just lay there and take it like you do.
See the Nebraska statutes:
http://uniweb.legislature.ne.gov/LegalDocs/view.php?page=s6924041000
http://uniweb.legislature.ne.gov/legaldocs/view.php?page=s6924043000
Nebraska does not have a specific law to address the design of the "No Guns Allowed" signs. Our CCW law also does not have preemption over local statutes either.
TonyB
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The sign next to that one should read: Please rob our store.....no one can shoot back.
If your laws are anything like ours in NE I hope for your sake if you are carrying that you first turn around and go back to your vehicle to remove your firearm or you could be in trouble if they found out. Large chains may not change their policy because of a few letters/comments but we are talking about an independant grocery store in a small town. It is owned by a single individual and he has always been a nice guy when I have talked with him. When I see him next I am going to point out the flaw in his logic of posting the sign and see what he says. If he sees reason I will shop there and if not I won't. It is that simple for me.
I agree, Sid, about leaving a loaded weapon in the car. The funny (sad?) thing is that an article ran in our local paper a few weeks ago about how vehicle break-ins are on the rise! Of course, they said "lock your doors, roll up your windows, report suspicious activity." Nothing about "If you are a licensced CHP holder, be extra careful about where you leave that thing since our businesses don't want them in their stores, just unsecured in the parking lot."
As far as metal detectors and such, obviously they won't. But like you said, if you're shirt rides a little high, party's over. Same reason I disarm when I go to the Post Office or Courthouse. Chances are it won't show, but 1) I respect the law (no matter how stupid) and 2) the consequences of getting caught are more serious than I am willing to bear.
As far as metal detectors and such, obviously they won't. But like you said, if you're shirt rides a little high, party's over. Same reason I disarm when I go to the Post Office or Courthouse. Chances are it won't show, but 1) I respect the law (no matter how stupid) and 2) the consequences of getting caught are more serious than I am willing to bear.
FerFAL
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How about
Would that do it for the insurance company?
FerFAL
“ NO concealed weapons allowed if you are intending to commit a crime inside this establishment.
Armed law abiding citizens are more than welcome
Would that do it for the insurance company?
FerFAL
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Very Nice Thank You. I made a copy for future needs.
Lupinus
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I would have to agree that any "idiot" who puts up a sign will not understand.
Theres some basic reason one goes up and many are not due to out and out being anti.
Theres some basic reason one goes up and many are not due to out and out being anti.
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