"A New Day Dawning for Gun Violence Prevention"

[TT]

gc70: Proof of the actual stance of the Democrats, as opposed to their rhetoric…

So you’re arguing that Democrats secretly love guns, but say something else because…?

Your observation that the previous Congress was unable to implement its gun control objectives in my view points to ineffectiveness on the part of Democrats, not secret goodwill towards gun owners. While you would like to assign zero weight to the words and writings of Democratic leaders I submit that that is wishful thinking.

And Gillibrand and a handful of other ‘pro-gun’ Democrats don’t counterbalance the party platform which is clearly anti-self-defense.

 

[gc70]

So you’re arguing that Democrats secretly love guns, but say something else because…?

I don't know what you have been reading, but it was not what I wrote.

If there was no downside to adopting gun control legislation, I believe that the Democratic leadership in Congress would do so without hesitation. However, there is a downside to pushing gun control legislation. The recent actions of the Democrats show that they believe the price they would have to pay to pass gun control legislation is not worth the return. So, they make noises to appeal to the gun-control elements, but don't press the issue far enough to alienate a lot of voters.

Heller is not a panacea, but it adds a judicial wildcard to the legislative calculus. Even if the Democrats thought they could gain a marginal voter advantage from passing major gun control legislation, they face the possibility that their efforts to achieve their ideological goals could be undone by the courts and they would have still ticked off a bunch of voters.

 

[Master Blaster]

HchcaaaCHHHAAAAACK PTOOOO

Thats all I have to say about anything that comes from the Brady Bunch.

 

[LKB3rd]

Because no one trusts B.O. to keep his hands off the guns. Not even his own supporters. I've met MANY Democrats who voted for B.O. at gun shows. What do you think they were doing there? Admiring the view?

No. They too were buying guns.

I was just talking to one of my co-workers yesterday who is a gung ho BO supporter, wore his Obama baseball cap on innauguration day... He and his wife are both signing up for the pistol carry permit course.

 

[Lightninstrike]

My blood pressure is already high enough I don't know if I can take 8 years of this.

November Sierra.

 

[TT]

gc70: I don't know what you have been reading, but it was not what I wrote.

That’s what I got out of the line I quoted- my error.

gc70: If there was no downside to adopting gun control legislation, I believe that the Democratic leadership in Congress would do so without hesitation.

I agree.

gc70: However, there is a downside to pushing gun control legislation.

I do understand that you are convinced that Democrats are too frightened of voter reaction to pass anti-gun legislation; I just don’t believe you are correct. So rather than go around in circles, I will simply say again that Helmke has a good case.

 

[TT]

LKB3rd: I was just talking to one of my co-workers yesterday who is a gung ho BO supporter, wore his Obama baseball cap on innauguration day... He and his wife are both signing up for the pistol carry permit course.

Despicable hypocrites.

 

[BADUNAME37]

Jenrick: a lot of folks had to pick what issue was the most important and vote that.

Well, that is precisely what I did, so you cannot blame me for any "gun problem."

 

[Armed N. Free]

Good points gc70!

Just my .02 worth (or .01 worth after taxes):

Having written for the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR's) and United States Code (USC), I was amazed at how much I was able to get through channels with very little review or oversight. People don't much like reading through multiple reams of legal BS to get to the last page and realize they were not intelligent enough to understand or retain any of it. Rubber stamping was rampant!

I'm going out on a limb here and suggesting that not many folks have actually read (for themselves) Mrs. McCarthy's draft of H.R. 1022 from Feb 2007. Some scary bovine byproduct in there for sure! I'm pretty sure I'd have to surrender most of my evil guns or become an enemy of the state. My child's Little Tikes Ranch Rifle that the cowboy carries on his range horse would probably be OK though (didn't come with the farm set - we we had to order a conversion kit - also illegal under H.R. 1022, but relax; this one's lever action and only carries half a round).

The list of prohibited firearms in H.R. 1022 was amusing. I think getting tapped in the ear with a 22 Mag HP from 50 yards would suck just as much as getting tapped in the chest with a .308 from 300 yards - JMHO

As far as gc70 said the voters were concerned about - The voters were very much focused on the economy, and the war, and jobs, and anything anti-Bush.....be warned....this administration is also VERY interested in your children....probably much more than your guns for now. No Child Left Behind is going to be seamlessly fused into B.O's and the NEA's mandatory 0-5 early childhood education mandate. Hillary is in love with the UN's International Convention on the Rights of the Child. Read the UN poop on-line; it's very disturbing.

Folks...just look back at the efforts of Joycelyn Elders, Janet Reno, Donna Shalala, and Richard Riley to utterly subvert our best efforts to raise our children by whatever beliefs and morals we saw fitting. They made no bones about wanting to take away from us the ability to train-up our own children. Every fascist government has understood the importance of gaining control of the minds of it's children. NRA programs in schools are going to be as scarce as pictures of "W" in the new oval office.

We're going to have to remember to teach our children "their history" and their heritage or the revisionists will feed them the "new version".

OK - former "G" man getting down off his soap box now (my wife says I have to stop with these rants)

 

[gc70]

TT: I do understand that you are convinced that Democrats are too frightened of voter reaction to pass anti-gun legislation; I just don’t believe you are correct. So rather than go around in circles, I will simply say again that Helmke has a good case.

Seeing different things in the tea leaves is the nature of political analysis. I hope my interpretation is right and yours is wrong. But I appreciate your view enough to remain very, very watchful of what happens in Congress.

 

[Art Eatman]

Good points, GC70.

But since this is more about politics than law...