A tale of two Powders...

[Afy]

What if any is the difference between H-4995 and Varget?

According to Quick Load 29.5 grains of either powder gives me the same velocity. The only difference seems to be the amount of powder burned.
100% for 4895 and 99.4 for Varget.

Will this really make a difference on the target?

 

[918v]

Varget is slower burning. This is a variable. If your load does not like Varget, try 4895 and vice versa.

 

[Afy]

That is interesting. Will try it out. Loaded one batch with Varget and one with 4895 lets see what shoots better.

 

[Jerry M]

Please follow reloading manuals carefully. Why some loads might be similar or the same for particular cartridge, it is not always the case. You really need to load several weights of each powder and shoot them to see which is best. Very likely one load is not going to do it.

Good Luck

Jerry

 

[depoloni]

From my experience, this isn't uncommon in a given cartridge but may vary wildly when you change them. You'll note that (from recollection) reloads with the same bullet weight in 30-30 using Varget and H-4895 aren't "interchangeable" as with many others.

Actually from my experience, you'll have a harder time finding a difference between IMR-4064 and Varget across a wider range of calibers than between Varget and H-4895.

4064 and Varget are not the same powder and also not flatly interchangeable, but for a number of calibers I refer to Varget amongst my loading friends as "4064 short-cut"

 

[USSR]

Afy,

Since you are in Europe, you should try some Norma 203B. It is sold here in the states by Alliant as Reloder 15, and it is similar to Varget in burn rate. I actually have gotten better results with it than Varget.

Don

 

[Afy]

USSR:
Actually no powders other than VV and Tubal are available in France.
I was able to get my hands on about 8 Lbs of Varget and 2 lbs each of H4350 and H4895.

I typically do not follow published data for my 6BR, but work up loads that are safe in my rifle very very carefully.

Back to the experiment at hand the Varget load shot about .4 MoA while the H4895 shot about .75 MOA at 100 meters. My current load of VV N150 shoots about .3 MoA consistently.

 

[Afy]

All things being equal.. in my .22-250 38 grains of Varget is the accuracy load for a 52 grain SMK in the Lyman. I load so far into the lands that the cartridge comes apart. But it does give me well below .25 MOA.

 

[BigBob3006]

Afy,

I did a lot of field testing With Varget awhile back. The powder seemed to shine in .308 Win. sized cases. In the .22-250, .243, 7mm-08 and the .308 W Varget was far superior to any other powder. When test in the .223, Benchmark offered better accuracy at close to the same velocities. When tested in the .30-06 with the 150gr bullet, H-4350 provided better accuracy with high velocities.

If you're looking for a load in the .22-250, make Varget your first try and I'd be willing to lay a small wager that you'll like it

 

[dagger dog]

Varget is very insensitve to temerature changes and will give more consistant velocity over all temp ranges, H4895 was developed with the 30'06 in mind and is more suitable to larger cases.

 

[Kernel]

The speed of H4895 and Varget is close, but, in general, H4895 is just a hair faster.

 

[Afy]

In my 6BR Varget has the edge on 4895 by a fairly wide margin. Then again VV N-140 is a lot better. And cleaner,,, a lot cleaner.

 

[Ridgerunner665]

One BIG difference between 4895 and Varget...temperature sensitivity.

4895 will be quite a bit hotter in warm weather...Varget is much more stable across a wide variation in temps.

It will only matter with near max loads though...

And +1 to what USSR said about Reloder 15...