Academy has tightened limits on 22lr

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Good. The shortage is driven by speculative flippers and people who fear not being able to get ammo (so get it whenever they can). If speculators are required to put in more effort to turn a profit (more trips to different stores), they'll do less of it, and more ammo will be on the shelves. When ammo is on shelves, nobody needs to buy from speculators. When primary and secondary market prices return to normal, people no longer feel need to sit on 10,000 rounds of .22lr.

This is/was a bubble, pure and simple. Anything to pop the bubble faster is good.
 
I have seen exactly ONE box of 22lr in all of 2013 so far, and I bought it.
 
The Dick's Sporting Goods near me is the most reliable source in my city (50/50 chance of having CCI minimag 100's on any given day since August). If I get out into the country, odds go up a bit. Big box gun/outdoor stores get targeted by the flippers, so they're often empty. In the end, though, places with limits often have stuff in stock; places without limits get picked clean by the first guy through.

More places with limits = more stock on shelves = reduced fear = less hoarding = reduced current demand without change in long-term/secular demand = return to normal market. When I find a place with limits, I thank them for imposing them.
 
That is good because I see boxes of 22 at the gun shows at elevated prices with the Acadmey price tag still on them.....chris3
 
Thing is I was noticing a lessening of 22lr that was showing up at my local Academy. Even in the throes of the worst of this shortage my local Academy was getting some 22lr in. Small amounts to be sure but it showed up on a regular basis. That's changed in the last 6 weeks. Less has been coming in and in the last regular scheduled 6 deliveries none had been received. Yesterday a non scheduled delivery day they got 16 buckets and some Winchester M-22 in. Today a regular delivery day they received no 22lr.

I'm also seeing less 9mm in stock. I hope this is not an early indication that things are about to get worse again.
 
ATLDave said:
Good. The shortage is driven by speculative flippers and people who fear not being able to get ammo (so get it whenever they can). If speculators are required to put in more effort to turn a profit (more trips to different stores), they'll do less of it, and more ammo will be on the shelves. When ammo is on shelves, nobody needs to buy from speculators. When primary and secondary market prices return to normal, people no longer feel need to sit on 10,000 rounds of .22lr.

This is/was a bubble, pure and simple. Anything to pop the bubble faster is good.
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Limits only drive the Fear and makes the shortage worse.
 
??? You think the casual shooter who goes into the store to buy some .22 to go plinking with his son is more troubled by finding that he can only buy two boxes than if he finds that zero boxes are available???
 
Queen_of_Thunder said:
Limits only drive the Fear and makes the shortage worse.
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I disagree. Limits do exactly what they say; limit the consumption, or in this case the over-consumption, by people who buy strictly out of fear, causing shortages for everyone else. While my LGS hasn't seen a box of primers in this calendar year, I can walk into Graf's Reloading in St. Charles, MO and buy them every day. Why? Because their limits kept the fearful horders from running in and clearing the shelves. The same theory applies to .22LR, or anything else during times like these.
 
a-sheepdog said:
I have seen a bit at Academy as well as Wal Mart and other local sporting goods stores. It does not seem to be that hard to find.
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It seems to be different all over the country. I have not seen more than 3 or 4 boxes of .22 in any stores in my area for over a year. Luckily, I was well stocked. I have also been unable to find any powder locally that I use commonly (Unique, bullseye,etc). On the other hand, I have had very little trouble finding primers of almost any variety. I have seen other complaining about never seeing primers.

Too bad hazmat concerns prevent us from setting up some kind of exchange to trade stuff like this across state lines.
 
When primary and secondary market prices return to normal, people no longer feel need to sit on 10,000 rounds of .22lr.
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Careful who you call "people", for us in "normal" times 10,000 rounds was like 3 months supply, if I hadn't by dumb luck ordered and received 25,000 about this time last year we'd have been out long ago. Its not even worth driving to Academy or Walmart for only a couple of 500 round boxes. When Walmart had a 6-box limit once a month kept us shooting, but they were out of stock often enough in good times that we wanted several months supply on hand.

We've cut back to stretch out what we have, but after 3-4 more months its looking like the .22lr guns will be collecting dust if things don't turn around soon :(
 
ball3006 That is good because I see boxes of 22 at the gun shows at elevated prices with the Acadmey price tag still on them.....chris3
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Doubtful.:scrutiny:
Academy doesn't put price tags on ammunition boxes, and hasn't done so for over a decade.

Neither does WalMart, Cabelas, Dicks or Gander Mtn.

Ammunition boxes have a UPC code printed on the box label that is universal, not store specific.
 
The personality type that these "flippers" have baffles me. It's probably the same folks who apply for unemployment instead of applying for jobs, and these folks who get "hurt" at work and get a settlement from their employers insurance. System abusers. They could probably find/have a job in the same amount of time that they spend on these capers.


Disclaimer for all of the "easily offended":
Im not saying that nobody deserves unemployment or compensation if they're injured.
 
ATLDave said:
??? You think the casual shooter who goes into the store to buy some .22 to go plinking with his son is more troubled by finding that he can only buy two boxes than if he finds that zero boxes are available???
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good point
 
I went to four WalMarts during my lunch break today:
Lucas- had sixteen boxes of CCI MiniMags 100's
Allen- had eight boxes of Winchester Powerpoint 100's
Plano Spring Creek/Coit- had eighteen boxes of CCI MiniMags 100's
Plano Spring Creek/75- didn't have jack squat for rimfire.

And yes, I bought the limit at each.:neener:

Potatohead The personality type that these "flippers" have baffles me. It's probably the same folks who apply for unemployment instead of applying for jobs, and these folks who get "hurt" at work and get a settlement from their employers insurance. System abusers. They could probably find/have a job in the same amount of time that they spend on these capers.
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I wonder more about the personality type of those who whine, bitch and moan about someone else finding ammunition. Whether they choose to shoot it, hoard it or resell it for a profit is none of YOUR business. Don't like someone else buying the three box limit at Walmart and reselling it? Then get there before they do and stop the incessant internet whining!

Those "flippers" are engaging in the most American of all opportunities.....it's called capitalism. How on God's green earth you could attempt to correlate an opportunistic capitalist as a system abuser in the same ilk as those who apply for unemployment is beyond all logic.

You see those who get to WalMart, buy their three boxes and resell for market price as no different than those who choose not to find a job or file undeserving insurance claims.........sorry but that doesn't make any sense.
This is where we differ.....

I see the flippers as opportunists....taking advantage of the law of supply and demand. Bravo to them. If you want rationing or price controls you would love Cuba or Venezuela.

I see whiners the same as entitled freeloaders......in your words those who file undeserved insurance claims or are too lazy to seek work......ie those who demand others provide for them.

It's always someone else's fault.....whiners blame our government, foreign governments, the UN, Obama, WalMart, flippers, hoarders, gougers, resellers, ammunition companies, Hillary Clinton and thousands of others.

Want to drive the flippers out of business?
Plan ahead, be prepared.
 
PJSprog said:
I disagree. Limits do exactly what they say; limit the consumption, or in this case the over-consumption, by people who buy strictly out of fear, causing shortages for everyone else. While my LGS hasn't seen a box of primers in this calendar year, I can walk into Graf's Reloading in St. Charles, MO and buy them every day. Why? Because their limits kept the fearful horders from running in and clearing the shelves. The same theory applies to .22LR, or anything else during times like these.
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Limits simply don't work in situations like we are in now. The only way limits may work is if there is sufficient product available for everyone but in the case of 22lr thats not the case. In my county of nearly 1,000,000 people a couple of cases a week can only meet a very minute fraction of a fraction of 1% of the pre panic demand. There is simply not enough of a supply to meet demand even pre panic demand as people have gone from 6 shot revolvers and lever action rifles to AR style semi autos and semi auto pistols.

A 22lr shortage would have occurred anyway without the shooting in December due to the movement from your 6 shot revolver and lever action rifles to the AR style rifles, semi autos and conversion kits. A result of this change in firearm selection for rimfire people are using more 22lr per range visit then they did before and this is not taking into account those like myself who switched to rimfire to save money. Then add the MILLIONS of NEW SHOOTERS since December and you have a situation where production can only meet a fraction of demand.

Its not the individual buying a couple of boxes to sell because they recognize a chance to make an extra buck. Its like trying to fill a 24 ounce mug with a single 12 ounce bottle of beer. It can't be done.
 
As long as people beleive there is a threat to the ammo supply this " shortage" will continue. Steve Hornady said this is a consumer driven shortage and I tend to agree with that.
 
So now, rather than a guy showing up and buying boxes of ammo. Now him, his girlfriend and his brother, and his sister, AND his wife will all go in and buy a box of ammo. :D
 
Dogtown,
I guess i just see things differently than you. Im not in the market for ammo so I'm not real worried about it either way. I guess I'm bitching and moaning about the premise. People who should be at a real job instead of getting up at the ass crack of dawn to buy up all the ammo just to make a few bucks. If you aren't an ammo dealer, don't buy ammo just to turn around and sell it. If you want to do that, become an ammo dealer-go purchase your insurance, your license, and pay taxes on your profits like the rest of us. That's what I'm bitching about. S-Y-S-T-E-M... A-B-U-S-E

I have no beef with someone hitting all the Wallys to buy ammo for themselves, Ive bought a lot.

But in other words it's fine to you for someone to send their brother, sister, co worker (nevermind, they probably dont have a job), mother and cousin in to buy up the limits every day at Wally so they can sell them on Gunbroker? It's ok to "work the system"?

I told myself I'd never get in another "internet argument" so this whiner is out of this thread.
 
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