AHSA Pro-Gun Pro-Obama

[benEzra]

Actually, according to polls somewhere between 2004 and 2008, a little over half of gun owners own guns for hungting. A little more than than own guns for target shooting, and the most common reason was for protection from crime. So most gun owners have guns for self-defense, hunting, and
target shooting.

I'd like to see those polls. What was the selection bias (was the poll of NSSF members, for example?), was the data self-reported or was it independently verified via hunting license data or whatever, how were the questions worded, in what setting were they asked, who did the asking, etc.

I obtained a hunting license once (to give me the option of shooting a couple of coyotes on our property should that become necessary, which it didn't), and have been (frog) hunting once. I also own guns suitable for hunting, and plan to perhaps take up hunting someday. So, depending on how the question were asked, I could be counted as a hunter, even though I am a nonhunter.

The thing about the "58% of gun owners hunt" is that it is flatly contradicted by the the hard data we have on the number of people who actually hunt. The number of people who hunt in a given year can be obtained from the 2006 National Survey of Fishing, Hunting, and Wildlife-Associated Recreation.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/fhw06-nat.pdf (2006)
http://www.census.gov/prod/www/abs/fishing.html (prior years)

According to the data, 12.5 million people over age 16 and 1.6 million under age 16 hunted in 2006, for a total of 14.1 million active hunters. There is also a population of former hunters and once-every-few-years hunters that didn't hunt in 2006 but could be considered "latent" hunters. If you count those, you get a total of 18.6 million people over 16 as having hunted at least once between 2002 and 2006, although not all of those are active hunters anymore. And those numbers are in decline.

The number of gun owners in the United States is approximately 80 million. The number who hunt in a given year is roughly 1 in 5, and the number who have hunted at any time in the last five years is roughly 1 in 4.

Most gun owners do not hunt, and the number of "assault weapon" owners is probably comparable to the number of deer hunters, bird hunters, and skeet/clays shooters combined.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

) You are an extremely prideful man that can't own up to the fact that you backed the wrong horse (i.e. made a huge mistake in judging an organization before you joined)

I don't think that's the case.

2) A troll that truly does have the ASHA's agenda in mind and trying to bring people over to the "dark side" with you.

This is probably the closest to true.
Either that, or he's trying to get us to support Obama

.3) Extremely dense person

I think he's ignoring facts rather than not understanding, so that's not true regarding thiss matter.

 

[RPCVYemen]

Ray's Wife gave $2500 to the Brady Campaign on 10/1/04 AND sat on their board of directors.

Which proves exactly what about Ray's beliefs?

Mike

 

[Robocop]

That he is either anti-gun, or never "getting any" ever again.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

I'd like to see those polls. What was the selection bias (was the poll of NSSF members, for example?),

I don't think it had any selection bias, it was Gallup polling. It said 58% of gun owners owned for hunting, 66% for target shooting, and 67% for self-defense http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/Guns.aspx

They are usually a bit off however, but unfortunantly I don't think Rasmussen polls on these issues.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

I like the fact that you're hangin in there, bro and fighting the good fight - keep it up! Though end the end, I'll think you'll discover we were correct - may take a few years, however.

Noone wants a conspiracy theory wimpy enough to be fought with a .22

Yeah, I guess being the hero of rebellion against the despotic Squirrel Regime is not too terribly fanciful. Besides, if the squirrels take over the government, all we gotta do is put peanut butter on some rat traps on Penn Ave. in DC.

 

[RPCVYemen]

Unless the AHSA has since moved, they are even in the same building as the DLC.

All clients in the same building share the same political views, so co-location is definitive proof of political policy.

Mike

 

[JImbothefiveth]

Hey, now that you're back online, do you want to answer my question?

How is a message that says ban .50 calibers, ban private sales without having to pay a $30-$50 fee, and ban anything with a bayonet lug or 11 round magazine "pro-RKBA"?

Then again, we all know that bayonets are the #1 weapon used in crimes.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

I like the fact that you're hangin in there, bro and fighting the good fight - keep it up! Though end the end, I'll think you'll discover we were correct - may take a few years, however.

He already know we're right, just won't admit it or answer my question.

 

[JoseM]

This is probably the closest to true.
Either that, or he's trying to get us to support Obama

If that's the case, he can stop arguing now....I didn't vote for the man, but now he is MY president along with the rest of America and I'm putting my hope in him to help turn a lot of things around. I'll support him and give him the benefit of the doubt for most decisions unless I feel passionate against it (i.e. anti-gun measures).

 

[Jeff White]

Ok, we've wasted enough bandwidth on this topic. This is two long threads in the past couple months on this subject. As usual everyone is free to make up their own mind on this issue. But here at THR this topic is closed. We don't need any more threads on this subject. Any new threads will be closed with a link to the two previous threads.