(AK) war protestors doused with buckets of water

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COLD WATER: Man whose son is a Marine in Iraq is cited by police in incident.


By TOM KIZZIA
Anchorage Daily News

(Published: April 9, 2003)
Several anti-war protesters, including a middle-aged Quaker woman holding a sign saying "Consider the Children," were doused with a bucket of cold water at Soldotna's main intersection last week by a man standing in the back of a passing pickup truck.

Soldotna fishing guide Jeff Webster, who has a son in the Marines in Iraq, was tracked down by Soldotna police and cited for harassment, a misdemeanor.

A week earlier, he had done the same thing to two women holding signs at the same corner. At first the protesters turned the other cheek, despite freezing temperatures.

"We said pressing charges didn't seem in keeping with the peace theme," said Sherry Kasukonis, 55, one of the small band of war opponents who carry signs to the Soldotna "Y" corner every weekday at 5 p.m.

"It's a hostile environment, no question about it," she said. "We get so much absolutely filthy abuse out there. It's nothing you can repeat in the paper."

In an interview, Webster said he did it and he's glad -- though he said he doesn't plan to do it again.

"I warned 'em both days. You can't get through to them," Webster said. "They sure scattered once they got wet."

Webster said he's been gratified by the number of total strangers calling up to thank him and offer to pay any fines. He said he has a digital video of the incident that he's passing along via e-mail.

"At the troop rally over the weekend, a guy I didn't know suggested doing a spaghetti feed to pay any legal fees."

There won't be any legal fees, Webster said. He plans to plead guilty when he is arraigned in Kenai court April 17.

"I threw water," Webster said. "I was just trying to get my message across. Go home."

The case is the only known criminal incident around war protests in Alaska so far. The charge of harassment, which falls short of an assault, can be filed when a person is subjected to "offensive physical contact." Penalties extend up to 90 days in jail and a fine of up to $1,000.

The first drive-by dousing took place March 24, Soldotna police said. Webster stood in the back of a pickup truck driven by a friend and dumped a 5-gallon bucket of water on Kasukonis and another woman at the corner of the Sterling Highway and the Kenai Spur Highway.

Kasukonis said they were soaked but didn't budge.

"I would have stood there and frozen to death before I'd have left," she said.

Her poster that day had a picture of an Iraqi girl holding a lamb.

"We've been real careful not to have offensive or inflammatory signs," said Kasukonis, a Quaker and a pacifist. "The question is how can you keep this message of peace before people without inflaming people and making it worse?"

She said the daily protest is informal and reflects different opinions. She said the group has included students, teachers, retirees, lawyers and her husband, a doctor.

The group, never more than a dozen, admits it's a minority. Kenai-Soldotna has been the scene of several large flag-waving support-the-troops rallies in recent weeks.

But many who disagree with them have been polite, members said. They've also received support from people who say they feel too intimidated to join, they said.

"There's been a lot of positive reaction. I was really surprised by that," said protest organizer Karli Kay, 19, a Soldotna native whose husband is in the Air Force in Germany.

Kasukonis said the group was worried about threats of violence on a local radio call-in show and on fliers taped to lampposts at the intersection. The fliers recommend punching advocates of nonviolence repeatedly in the nose "until the desired results are obtained and the idiot realizes how stupid an argument he/she is making."

The group asked police to talk to Webster after the first incident.

"The fellow who dumped water does have a son serving over there," Kasukonis said. "I'm sure that to him he sees us as a direct threat to his son. It doesn't excuse it but you have to be aware of the stresses he's under."

When Webster wouldn't promise police he would stop, the group was advised to keep their cell phones handy.

Webster returned on April 1, this time with two full buckets.

"I'm highly offended by what they have to say," Webster said this week. He lives a long block up the road from the protest, in a house whose yard trees are swaddled with yellow ribbons. His son, Shawn, a 22-year-old Soldotna High graduate, is now fighting with the Marines.

Webster said he grew frustrated driving past the intersection every evening.

"There's nobody driving through the Y that's making any decisions about this war. All you're trying to do is divide the population," he said. "I think they're showing our future enemies how to beat America from within."

He was asked whether dissenters had the right to speak freely.

"That's a valid right. It's their right. It doesn't mean it is right," he said. "You protest before the war. But not right now. There's a time to talk your way out of a fistfight. That's before it happens. Once it starts, the way out of it is to win it."

Reporter Tom Kizzia can be reached at [email protected] or in Homer at 235-4244.
 
:neener: I saw them out there a couple weeks ago. All I could do is laugh.

btw: Before anyone asks, no I was not driving the truck for this guy. :evil:
 
<golf-clap>

The thing that is not mentioned is that a bucket of water is nothing; it's his polite way of saying get away..

But the anti's on the other hand..

have you seen the scenes in Jakarata? They are looting the McDonalds and BurgerKing and KFC..

War is tamer than the "Peace Mongers"...
 
Several anti-war protesters, including a middle-aged Quaker woman holding a sign saying "Consider the Children,"

Guess the fact that we liberated 150 CHILDREN from an Iraqi jail doesn't hold any sway with these people...

:fire:

We should hold these "peace" protestors accountable by sending them to Iraq to witness the tyrany Saddam created for themselves.
 
UPDATE

http://www.adn.com/front/story/3032706p-3056587c.html

State adds charges against Soldotna anti-protester
WATER: Prosecutors say man's actions violated demonstrators' rights.


By TOM KIZZIA
Anchorage Daily News

(Published: April 29, 2003)
State prosecutors stepped up the case Monday against the defiant father of a Marine who says he was being patriotic when he dumped water on war protesters standing at Soldotna's main intersection.

Four new misdemeanor charges, including more serious charges of assault and violation of constitutional rights, were filed in state court Monday against Soldotna fishing guide Jeff Webster.

Webster, 44, has admitted twice pouring buckets of cold water from a passing pickup on the protesters in March and early April. He was originally charged with harassment. The new fourth-degree assault charge came from another incident, when prosecutors say Webster pushed and threatened a male protester.

Two other new counts accuse Webster of violating the demonstrators' rights under the Alaska Constitution to freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. The law says one cannot intentionally injure, oppress, threaten or intimidate another person in an attempt to deprive them of their rights.

Webster said Monday he would plead not guilty to all charges.

"I don't regret it. They can charge me with what they want," Webster said.

Webster's lawyer, Wayne Anthony Ross of Anchorage, could not be reached for comment Monday. An aide said he was in Florida attending the convention of the National Rifle Association, on whose board he serves.

On the day of Webster's arraignment, Ross argued that the state shouldn't prosecute Webster because he was sticking up for his son, a Marine stationed in Iraq.

In a letter to a newspaper last week, Webster claimed the demonstrators were targeting him personally with their daily sign protests during the war because of his son. The intersection is not far from Webster's home, where trees in the yard are tied with yellow ribbons.

"I have rights also," Webster wrote to the Peninsula Clarion. "I have the right to not have to see an adult male war protester holding a sign in front of me mentioning Marine casualties."

He went on to address people who had written letters critical of his behavior, accusing them of siding with the protesters and opposing American soldiers in Iraq.

"I don't believe in protesting during a war or flag burning or spitting on returning soldiers like you do," he wrote. "Therefore, I will not apologize for my beliefs nor my actions. I just don't respect you."

Webster produced a video of the second drive-by dousing, set to patriotic music, which was widely distributed via e-mail.

He originally said he would plead guilty. He changed his mind, he said, after friends and strangers urged him to fight the harassment charge in court. Ross, a conservative Republican who has campaigned twice for governor, volunteered his services to defend Webster.

On March 24, Webster threw water on two women holding signs at the Soldotna Y intersection. He had gone by two days earlier threatening to douse them, the district attorney said.

"Both women were soaked and one of the signs became unreadable," the charging document said.

Soldotna police, contacted by the demonstrators, warned Webster not to do it again.

A week later, according to information filed in court Monday, Webster returned and was "confrontational" verbally to two women and more physical with the one man present, Daniel Funk.

"He threatened to beat up Mr. Funk, while pushing against Mr. Funk with his stomach and his arm, causing Mr. Funk to back away. Mr. Funk stated that he believed he was going to have to defend himself at any moment," the charging document said.

Fourth-degree assault can be charged when a person is placed in fear of imminent physical injury.

Webster returned April 1, again with another person driving, and from the back of his truck threw two buckets of water at the demonstrators. Ten protesters were involved in the incidents with Webster, the prosecutor said.

The incidents were the only ones in Alaska over the war resulting in criminal charges.

The new charges, including an additional harassment charge, were filed by assistant district attorney June Stein, who declined to comment on the case. Attorney General Gregg Renkes said he has confidence in Stein and Kenai District Attorney Dwayne McConnell, who decided to increase the charges.

"They were trying to work something out with the defendant, and that hasn't occurred," Renkes said Monday. "Based on the description (in the charges) of what occurred out there, it appears the charges are justified."

The attorney general said the case involves constitutionally protected speech.

"We're fighting the war to protect the freedoms we have here in this country," Renkes said. "People don't have the right to harass people expressing their opinions lawfully."

Reporter Tom Kizzia can be reached at [email protected] or in Homer at 1-907-235-4244.
 
More than just the protestors are "all wet."

Violating their rights? :rolleyes:
 
Is there no end to legal harassment???

BTW, how bout we sue the moderators here when they lock a thread? Or sue the dude that cuts you off in traffic?

Help - let me off!
 
If the ladies were standing there peaceably and holding their signs (and nothing suggests they were doing otherwise) then he had no right to dump water on them. If he didn't like what their signs said, he had every right to stand on the corner and tell them why, or he could stand there with his own sign, or he could simply **** and/or STFD.

Whatever jail time the judge gives him, will have been earned. Just as any "peace" protester that breaks the law through intimidation tactics would. I hope they give him the maximum sentence.

FWIW, I would have charged him with assault. He used the water to strike people that had done nothing illegal. They weren't a threat to him, they weren't damaging property, tresspassing, etc... being hit by 5 gallons of water thrown from the back of a moving truck hurts more than a slap in the face would.
 
First charges of harassment, followed up by assault and violation of constitutional rights charges . . . sounds like someone "got" to the prosecutors.

Hmmm . . . I wonder how often PETA or other animal rights fanatic protestors have had a court pile on multiple charges after they spilled paint (not water) on women wearing fur . . .
 
How about those pro-appeasement protesters who threw rocks at police were they charged with assault with a deadly weapon and attempted murder?
 
Actions have consequences. The protesters should accept the consequences of harrasing the father of a marine combatant with their protest signs. If they were really interested in "peace", they should have peacefully removed themselves to another place in town that was less confrontational to the father of the marine. And again, if they are peacefull folks, they should refuse to press charges as well.

Grampster:banghead:
 
Harrassment? Yes.

Assault? You're pushing it.

Violation of Constitutional Rights? You've hit one out of the park, right over LEFT field.
 
Perhaps the water thrower should remind himself that Alaska is a CCW state. If I had been that Mr. Funk, he would have had something more serious than charges to deal with.
 
free speech..

if it includes burning the flag, then, it includes dousing with water. As a method of expression of disdain and contempt for what the protesters had to say, his actions should be protected under the 1st amentdment. As we all know, the 1st Amendment protects free expression with certain "narrowly tailored exceptions". If burning the flag in protest does not amount to arson for it's act, then the similar act of dumping cold water on protesters having tangible and significant sybmolism & meaning in the American phraseology, is similarly protected expression and cannot amount to a criminal offense.

i.e. "I hate to throw cold water on your argument, but..."
 
Perhaps the water thrower should remind himself that Alaska is a CCW state. If I had been that Mr. Funk, he would have had something more serious than charges to deal with

Really? Over someone throwing water on you?

Who was that argued CCW will bring back Dodge City and "blood flowing in the streets"?
 
Isn't intimidation what protesters are trying to accomplish...

...under the guise of "Free Speach"?

Blocking streets and screaming at those that try to pass is intimidation is it not? So a bucket of water seems like a harmless retalietory response to me, although childish in nature (but then so are most protests) The water was his form of "Free Speach" and he does have rights as well ;)

KP95DAO,

"Perhaps the water thrower should remind himself that Alaska is a CCW state. If I had been that Mr. Funk, he would have had something more serious than charges to deal with."

I would like to see you try to defend that action in a court of law big guy.

Prosecution: "You are being accused of assault with a deadly weapon. Could you explain to the court what the victim did to prompt you to use deadly force?"

You: "Well...he had a bucket of water that he poured on me."

Prosecution: "I rest my case your honor."

:D

Darris C.
 
My thoughts on this are first off I feel for the guy who had his son killed in the war.

Yeah, pouring water isn't nice. I think he should get a slap on the wrist.

It certainly doesn't get to the point of all the other charges levied against him.

How about the protesters that rocks at police? What would that be assaulting a police officer, assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder?

It seems that the pro-appeasement protesters can give it but they can't take it.

Remember that when they threw rocks they whined how aggresive the police were.
 
Anyone notice who Webster's attorney is?

Wayne Anthony Ross?

A member, either current or past, of the NRA Board of Directors.


"...under the guise of "Free Speach"?

Blocking streets and screaming at those that try to pass is intimidation is it not?"

Doesn't appear to have been the case here, DRC. Doesn't appear that the protestors were blocking anything.

If they were screaming about the war, instead of AT passersby individually, that's likely protected speech.
 
Sorry Mike...

I should have specified.

I was talking about some of the happenings with other protesters actions in other cases i.e. in SF and the volitile actions of some of the protesters and yet nothing was done regarding that (some might have been arrested but were probably only held for 24 hours and released on their own accord and not fined). In some cases the protesters get pretty aggressive and yet its allowed because it is "Free Speach" even if it involved destruction of property.

Sorry about the confusion.

DRC
 
Without question, DRC.

Washington, DC, has been home to many large scale protests over the past several years that have had many instances of protestors blocking traffic, attempting to vandalize private and public property, etc.

That's not protected speech, and should not be tolerated in the least.

Unfortunately, the police reaction in many such instances has been to just let the protestors do what they wish.

In the same sense, Mr. Webster's actions should also not be tolerated.
 
Really? Over someone throwing water on you?
from the news article:
"He threatened to beat up Mr. Funk, while pushing against Mr. Funk with his stomach and his arm, causing Mr. Funk to back away. Mr. Funk stated that he believed he was going to have to defend himself at any moment," the charging document said.
there were two seperate incidents. one where the Pro-War American doused the Anti-War dissidents with water, and another where the American got in the face of Mr Funk.
however, mr funk would probably not have been justified in using deadly force, as he could have defused the situation by leaving. he wasnt on his own property so if he felt threatened he should have retreated. at least thats my amateur humble opinion.

deadly force is justified when "threat of serious physical injury" is present. doused with water wouldnt suffice, though if i were doused with water unsuspectingly, i'd be a little upset.
 
We bought them books and sent them to school.

Dear Gentlemen,

I shall be kind and refer to you as such. You really ought to read the whole story before you try being unkind to me:

"A week later, according to information filed in court Monday, Webster returned and was "confrontational" verbally to two women and more physical with the one man present, Daniel Funk.

"He threatened to beat up Mr. Funk, while pushing against Mr. Funk with his stomach and his arm, causing Mr. Funk to back away. Mr. Funk stated that he believed he was going to have to defend himself at any moment," the charging document said."

I'll go ahead and accept your apologies in advance.
 
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