mljdeckard
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I may agree that this is indeed a case where letter-writing makes a difference. Stuart Smalley knows that he is in that office by way of a joke that came true, and he was on thin ice from day one.
Al Franken Blinks on AWB
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climbnjump
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Perhaps they were thinking, "Since the other 99 Senators are de facto clowns, perhaps we should drop the veil and send a real one."
PT92
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Well played my friend
.thegoodlistener
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Regardless of whether they are republican or Democrat as gun owners and pro right to bear arms I think supporting pro gun is important not people riding the fence. As I think we have seen people that don't give you straight answers tend to go against what you believe.
I think a lot of Democrats support RKBA. I think very few Democrat politicians support it. When I talk about the dem's trying to take away my rights, I'm talking about those in power. You can say all you want about how "I'm a Democrat and I'm a gun owner", but when it comes down to voting party lines, Democrat politicians are the ones I expect to have my interests not at heart.
I'm not sure where I fall, between Libertarian and Republican, but I know that I will vote Republican if it means my vote counting against a candidate that will try and take my guns. I will agree with the above sentiments: if they do not support 2A, then I have no business supporting them, because the 2A is the only amendment which gives a consequence to tyranny. Tyrants don't care about letters and protests. If they want to oppress us, the only thing they'll fear is an armed populace.
I'm not sure where I fall, between Libertarian and Republican, but I know that I will vote Republican if it means my vote counting against a candidate that will try and take my guns. I will agree with the above sentiments: if they do not support 2A, then I have no business supporting them, because the 2A is the only amendment which gives a consequence to tyranny. Tyrants don't care about letters and protests. If they want to oppress us, the only thing they'll fear is an armed populace.
Looks like the entire Dem senate is blinking at this time.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...al-on-obama-gun-control-plan/?test=latestnews
Gallup poll shows majority of American's support the NRA.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...orts-nra-despite-recent-criticism-poll-shows/
Time to turn up the heat and keep it up. Could help in other confrontations with Obama the next four years. Without the power of the people, Washington will continue on their path. We want our country back from these usurpers.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...al-on-obama-gun-control-plan/?test=latestnews
Gallup poll shows majority of American's support the NRA.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...orts-nra-despite-recent-criticism-poll-shows/
Time to turn up the heat and keep it up. Could help in other confrontations with Obama the next four years. Without the power of the people, Washington will continue on their path. We want our country back from these usurpers.
ErikO
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Nah, they don't. That is just hearsay.
Oh wait...
Wonder if Reid will keep the iron in his spine for a bit longer. Need to keep the pressure up for sure.
Anyway, if it passed the House there would be hell to pay in 2014 either way.
If they want to get something passed before 2014, they need a stalking-horse (e.g. AWB) so they can arrive at a compromise (e.g. Closing the "Gun Show Loophole" and banning new 30-round mags). They know any sort of AWB is pointless, but they also know it gets the pro-2A side worked up into a lather, hence, it is the perfect stalking-horse.
So, I suppose all of those Republicans in the NY Assembly who rushed through their gun control bill in the middle of the night aren't dangerous?
Again, let's stop this ludicrous belief that RKBA is a right/conservative/Republican issue. There are many, many, many examples to the contrary, and believing so only hurts the RKBA cause by putting faith in politicians who may not actually support, and excluding both citizens and politicians who DO simply because of a (D) or what else they believe in.
As RKBA supporters, we ALWAYS need to maintain our allies WHEREVER they live on the political spectrum. THAT INCLUDES LIBERALS/LEFTISTS/Democrats/PROGRESSIVES.
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PT92
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Isn't the AWB pursued via Congress at this point simply "theatrics?" Everyone knows that any AWB (II) Bill as Congress is currently situated has ZERO chances of passing--as someone mentioned earlier perhaps the Senate but never the House.Nah, they don't. That is just hearsay.
Oh wait...
Wonder if Reid will keep the iron in his spine for a bit longer. Need to keep the pressure up for sure.
Anyway, if it passed the House there would be hell to pay in 2014 either way.
So why is the POTUS even attempting such? IMO so when it fails Congressional approval he will IMMEDIATELY issue Executive Orders implementing that very same bill absent the House/Senate passage
..Thus (in theory) we get Feinstein's AWBII one way or another...?Maybe I am way off base as I do not hear anyone suggesting this...?
Skylerbone
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Hacker, no disrespect meant but while 2A is an issue I stand firmly on so too is my stance on abortion (against), same-sex marriage (against) and a host of other issues as well. I recognize the separation of Church and State as vital but also know that a certain broader morality has always been decreed by law as the base of any society.
When an individual steps out onto the political stage, he is representative of more than self if choosing R or D or G and their respective platforms. We elect individuals not to do our bidding as some may believe but rather as best choice in voting their own conscience. Yes, character counts. In reviewing political platforms I find no evidence of any moral fiber within the Democrat Party. Therefore a person choosing to identify with the party who does not toe the line is either lying to them or lying to you.
To me, voting in a wolf who swears to uphold sheeps' rights is denying the nature of the beast who chooses to run with the pack. My two cents.
When an individual steps out onto the political stage, he is representative of more than self if choosing R or D or G and their respective platforms. We elect individuals not to do our bidding as some may believe but rather as best choice in voting their own conscience. Yes, character counts. In reviewing political platforms I find no evidence of any moral fiber within the Democrat Party. Therefore a person choosing to identify with the party who does not toe the line is either lying to them or lying to you.
To me, voting in a wolf who swears to uphold sheeps' rights is denying the nature of the beast who chooses to run with the pack. My two cents.
Skylerbone
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Same reason as always. If it doesn't pass, blame "the party of no". He's the great savior who is chained by evil Republicans cowing down to Powerful Lobbyists. Same argument with tax rates. Same argument with the debt ceiling. No solutions, no compromise and no Change. Forward indeed.
Ivy Mike
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Because I tend to disagree strongly with most republican positions on social and economic issues. I myself am not registered as a Democrat but I did vote for Harry Reid the last couple times I could as well as twice for Obama. The reasons are simple. The republican line on economics seems to be spend spend spend and lower taxes. The Democrat line seems to be spend spend spend but lets raise some taxes. Neither are great but one is better than the other. Democrat spending also tends to be on social services which have a greater benefit than more military spending. Republican foreign policy is atrocious. Republican stances on gay marriage and abortion always have me looking for an opponent who supports true civil rights.
If I could find a political party that had some sound social and economic policy along with heavy protections for civil rights, I'd sign up in a heartbeat.
Until then, I pick the least offensive and vote that way.
just in case you care.
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He would sign it, don't be naive.
Seattleimport
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Well articulated, Clean97GTI. That pretty much sums me up as well.
I do get the feeling that this is all a massive bit of misdirection. Executive Orders have little actual effect, and the NRA's massive political donations will keep any serious gun legislation from going anywhere. It's all a lot of noise.
Meanwhile, megabanks like HSBC admit to laundering money for terrorists and drug cartels, and they get a minor (to them) fine and no criminal prosecution. *That's* what we all--Democrat, Republican, RKBA proponents and opponents--should be getting upset about. We'd be united by outrage.
To prevent that unity, the politicians that gave this megabank permission to commit treason distracted us with a media circus by introducing the #1 most contentious issue in politics.
I do get the feeling that this is all a massive bit of misdirection. Executive Orders have little actual effect, and the NRA's massive political donations will keep any serious gun legislation from going anywhere. It's all a lot of noise.
Meanwhile, megabanks like HSBC admit to laundering money for terrorists and drug cartels, and they get a minor (to them) fine and no criminal prosecution. *That's* what we all--Democrat, Republican, RKBA proponents and opponents--should be getting upset about. We'd be united by outrage.
To prevent that unity, the politicians that gave this megabank permission to commit treason distracted us with a media circus by introducing the #1 most contentious issue in politics.
PT92
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I respect everyone's right to have and voice their respective opinions and I expect the same reciprocation.
That said, I just want to go on record as saying that IMO a vote for Obama is a vote against The Second Amendment
nothing more, nothing less. He is the single biggest threat to this basic fundamental right in my lifetime (46yrs.). When he was running for office he admitted to a very strong anti-2A position during his tenure in IL. Government--I began to research his record there and subsequently concluded that he was even more to the left on 2A than the Clintons .
His AGOTUS Eric Holder's abomination and utter bungling of "Gun" related matters in Fast & Furious is but one more example of their absolute malfeasance. I highly recommend Katie Pavlich's book for proper perspective/illumination of F&F.
Suffice it to say that I will indeed continue to feverishly do everything within my power to oppose this current Administration's assault against our Constitutional Rights (HIPAA Laws IMO have now been violated by the Administration's demands that Doctors now "report" gun owners to the Government)..
I do, however, agree with the statements that the Republicans and the Democrats are equally incompetent relative to economic issues but that is not a matter of this particular forum.
Now, onto the weekend...
That said, I just want to go on record as saying that IMO a vote for Obama is a vote against The Second Amendment
nothing more, nothing less. He is the single biggest threat to this basic fundamental right in my lifetime (46yrs.). When he was running for office he admitted to a very strong anti-2A position during his tenure in IL. Government--I began to research his record there and subsequently concluded that he was even more to the left on 2A than the Clintons .His AGOTUS Eric Holder's abomination and utter bungling of "Gun" related matters in Fast & Furious is but one more example of their absolute malfeasance. I highly recommend Katie Pavlich's book for proper perspective/illumination of F&F.
Suffice it to say that I will indeed continue to feverishly do everything within my power to oppose this current Administration's assault against our Constitutional Rights (HIPAA Laws IMO have now been violated by the Administration's demands that Doctors now "report" gun owners to the Government)..
I do, however, agree with the statements that the Republicans and the Democrats are equally incompetent relative to economic issues but that is not a matter of this particular forum.
Now, onto the weekend...
An interesting study is how the founders viewed this so called "separation of church and state" which is not in the constitution. They viewed it 180 degrees different than today where in their day, it was a prohibition of government influencing religion. Today, the government views it as a prohibition of religion influencing government. It wasn't always that way.
Likewise, their views on the 2A are 180 degrees different from the founding fathers as well who said nothing about hunting in the 2A.
It would make more sense that BO's goal is not to go head-to-head and take the guns, but to put gun owners (and other undesirables, e.g. smokers, fat people, drug addicts, etc.) into a high-risk pool and decline healthcare coverage when they need it.
Basically find ways to penalize people for their behavior (gun ownership) in an attempt to change their behavior (get rid of their guns).
Basically find ways to penalize people for their behavior (gun ownership) in an attempt to change their behavior (get rid of their guns).
Well, if you voted for Obama, then you can't separate that out when it comes to his long known stance on the 2A. This is a gun forum, so I can't address much on the Obama foreign policy or his economic measures, but they truly make no historical sense whatsoever.Because I tend to disagree strongly with most republican positions on social and economic issues. I myself am not registered as a Democrat but I did vote for Harry Reid the last couple times I could as well as twice for Obama. The reasons are simple. The republican line on economics seems to be spend spend spend and lower taxes. The Democrat line seems to be spend spend spend but lets raise some taxes. Neither are great but one is better than the other. Democrat spending also tends to be on social services which have a greater benefit than more military spending. Republican foreign policy is atrocious. Republican stances on gay marriage and abortion always have me looking for an opponent who supports true civil rights.
If I could find a political party that had some sound social and economic policy along with heavy protections for civil rights, I'd sign up in a heartbeat.
Until then, I pick the least offensive and vote that way.
just in case you care.
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Good video, hi-power!
While I was there at the vid site I took the time to watch the old Jesse Ventura vid with Piers Morgan. I must say that I am a Democrat, proud gun owner, Christian and I find it very hard to love Piers Morgan as Christ would have me do. What a tool!!
While I was there at the vid site I took the time to watch the old Jesse Ventura vid with Piers Morgan. I must say that I am a Democrat, proud gun owner, Christian and I find it very hard to love Piers Morgan as Christ would have me do. What a tool!!
I was making note that there are wolves who would devour the RKBA at both ends of the political spectrum, and there are also strong RKBA supporters at both ends of the spectrum.
If we care about ensuring the longevity of the RKBA, we had best look to allies everywhere and not discount some because we do not happen to agree with their beliefs on other topics.
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RetiredUSNChief
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Unless "softening his stance on an AWB" includes a complete turnaround and an avid support for the 2nd Amendment, then in my opinion all he's doing is backing down to the point where he's "just gonna chip a little bit away from our rights for now". Which is still wrong.
But a weakening is still a weakening and I'll take what we can get.
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