Am I the only person who likes Rock River Arms?

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What I have posted in this thread are facts, just plain and simple facts.

I do not shoot 20k rounds a year, if I could I would. But I know people who shoot close to 10k a year, and there are a lot of people who actually use their AR-15 in combat situations, and are willing to give you the same facts I have been pointing out in this thread. They will tell you the exact same things, and will also point you out to the chart, because it is what it is.
A lot of these people who used, use and will use their AR-15 or any other AR platform in combat situations, or in classes, or in any other environment whre you will run your rifle hard, will be happy to point you out the same stuff I am saying on some forums. Particularily the one where "the chart" originated from, M4Carbine.net.
You can say whatever you want about my "opinion", but it is what it is, facts.
 
What I have posted in this thread are facts, just plain and simple facts.
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The FACT is you have not supported any of your reckless charges with even a modicum of facts. Referencing hearsay, citing cyberspace blather and calls to worship the "chart" are not substitutes for providing real empirical evidence to back up your hyperbolic allegations. And an insistence for providing verifiable data to support your position(s) has nothing whatsoever to do with which country you hail from.

But since you brought up the subject of the Olympics: Go U-S-A! :p
 
Then nobody will be able to give you the kind of non-existing evidence you want. Basically what you want is a video showing an AR-15 failing during a class, or in combat, and that, you will never get.

As far as podiums go, we prefer to finish first than 3rd. And we're only 10 times fewer people in Canada than in the U.S. Only gold medals count, the 2nd is the first loser in my book.
 
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He does have some points. If you are going to run your AR really hard, some of the information on "the chart" becomes useful. A rifle to the right of the chart won't automatically explode when run hard, but some of the features detailed in the cart can lessen the chance of something going wrong.

Would I would like to see is a large amount of data collected by a major training center to measure failures, root causes, failures by brand, etc.
 
As stated many times by others and me, what is required is evidence to support your charges. And, as you conceded, such evidence apparently simply does not exist.
 
Just to be clear, if you are one of the vanishingly small minority of people who use civvie AR's in combat, then maybe you need some of the features you make so much of. But scoffing at rifles that do not have those features for the people who aren't going to use them is silly.

It's like mocking a soccer mom because her Hummer isn't as off-road capable as an actual HMMWV.
 
Well, let me jump in here and say that I like Rock River Arms rifles, and I believe the chart does, indeed, point to quality issues that all manufacturers should try to get right (and it is having a beneficial effect in that direction).

Aside from lack of lubrication or cleaning, the #1 reason for an AR failing to cycle properly is probably loosening of the screws on the gas key, allowing gas pressure to bleed off instead of cycling the bolt carrier group with full force. And pretty much the ONLY reason for the gas key screws to loosen is failing to properly stake them. So staking of the gas key screws is, indeed, sort of important even if you do NOT shoot 10,000 rounds a year. If you shoot 200 rounds a year and use your carbine in the home-defense role, you'd sure hate to find out at the worst possible time that your gas key screws were loose.

Yes, some of the chart is irrelevant to most users (parkerizing under the front sight base, for example, or a milspec buffer tube), some is relevant mostly to high-round-count users (MPI, shot peening), and some is darn important (gas key screw staking). Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Position of a rifle toward the right of the chart doesn't mean a rifle isn't worthy of purchase or will fall apart when you try to use it; the chart merely shows which manufacturers really sweat the details, and what you might need to check/fix on your own if you buy a Tier 2 rifle. That doesn't mean a Tier 2 rifle is a bad choice for you, it's just information.
 
But scoffing at rifles that do not have those features for the people who aren't going to use them is silly.
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Please quote the part where I am saying "if you don't have a Colt you're an idiot".

You heard that right, find it, and then, but only then, we will talk about it.
 
Please quote the part where I am saying "if you don't have a Colt you're an idiot".
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Please quote the part where I said that. :rolleyes:



Other than that, they're inferior AR-15's, they don't use top quality components and are not assembled properly. Of course, if you only shoot 500 rounds a year with an RRA, you'll never see the difference. But out there, some people have to bet their life on their AR-15, and RRA will not allow you to do that, PERIOD. It's a fact, just a fact.
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This would be the initial statement I object to.
 
You object to what? RRA doesn't assemble their AR-15 the right way, they don't stake the castle nut, they blue locktite it (never put locktite on that thing), their BCG is poorly staked and isn't inspected like it should be, like Colt, LMT, BCM, etc. I don't what to see what's under the barrel nut, and I certainly don't want to see the torque used.
 
You object to what? RRA doesn't assemble their AR-15 the right way, they don't stake the castle nut, they blue locktite it
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What are you going off of internet rumors? From experience my castle nut was not loctited on I know because I broke the damn thing installing a single point sling mount.
 
Something tells me there is something personnal under all these thoughts, you don't like the olympics being in Vancouver CANADA don't you? We're all soo soo sorry.
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5-3? Those Olympics? :neener: I like them just fine so far.

J/K bro, I think Canada is a fantastic country and a hell of a nieghbor.

Anyways, I prefer DPMS, but I wuld not turn my nose up on a RRA... or an Oly for that matter as long as it works for that person, and is providing more smiles then frustration, stick with it. I have yet to shoot an AR that has been a failure... though to be honest I have yet to try a Hesse/Vulcan/Joeken...
 
No matter how hard I looked, I couldn't see the words "Rock River" anywhere on that blown AR-15. The only thing I could make out was the picture of some kind of horse. :eek:
 
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