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Another bad day at Knob Creek

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I hate to even post this, because I am just now getting over it and this will only make me continue to replay the situation, but I do need to vent. This will be long, but stay with me.

Unfortunately, I do not have much choice in private places to stretch the legs of my latest long range rifle build, so this weekend I was forced to take it to Knob Creek for initial sight in and the beginnings of load development. The first real group I fired out of the rifle after sight in was under 1/2 MOA. This was just about the only good news of my day.

For one of my groups that I was shooting for fun, I was going for 5 shots, but I had only fired 3. I had loaded the 4th round and was just beginning to squeeze when the horn blew for clear :fire: so then I had to unload the round. Well, I loaded these to jam pretty good into the rifling, and I do not crimp them, so of course the case pulled off of the bullet, leaving it barely stuck in the throat. No big deal, right? Wrong.

To be safe, once the range went hot again I told the RO what was going on and that I was going to tap the bullet out. He had no idea what I was talking about, and originally thought that I had a live round stuck in my rifle somehow. Anyway, I explained to him numerous times what the real problem was, but he still never understood. Once I thought he finally knew what I was talking about, he took my rod that I was going to use to tap the bullet out and stuck it in the barrel. I thought, alright good you can tap it out. Well, all he was doing was measuring where the bullet was because he still did not know what I meant and thought I had some kind of squib round stuck half way in my barrel. He then said, "Oh, are these hand loads?", thinking that I am a dumbass and don't know how to hand load and therefore it surely must be a squib round. So he grabs my rifle like it is his and barks at me to follow him inside. This is where the fun begins.

He then hands my rifle to "Billy Bob" the "gunsmith" and simply says, "There's a bullet stuck in here." So of course the "gunsmith" now thinks the same thing, that some dumbass has had a dud round get stuck half way down his barrel. Before I realize what he is doing, he has an aluminum rod stuck in the receiver end of my brand new custom rifle and is trying to HAMMER the bullet all the way out the barrel... :eek: By the time I realize and I am about to rip his head off, he has hammered enough to bend the rod and slightly flatten the end of it, hopefully only on the end of the stuck bullet.

Once I yell at him, he says, "Well, alright I'll try from the muzzle end." In a way that is like "this will never work, dumbass." Of course with a few light taps the bullet drops out. Through the course of all of this happening, I must have been in a state of shock... I have no idea why I didn't yell at the RO initially and just tap it out myself. I guess I was trying to be safe and follow their rules. I have no idea. I obviously didn't know how stupid they all were until he started hammering on it... wow. Luckily it was an aluminum rod and the bullet was protecting the throat and neck area, so it did not hurt the stainless barrel. I even emailed Greg Young, who chambered and threaded the Obermeyer barrel for me, to make sure he thought everything was alright. I don't think I have ever been so angry in my life. Then, to top it all off, I was not able to pick up a new pistol this weekend because the shippers got my name wrong. Life is against me.
 
I'd load a little shorter.

RC, yeah, this was the beginning of load development. Greg also made the chamber so that they would jam slightly. They really do not jam very tightly at all. I'm guessing the barrel had cooled enough to grab onto it a little tighter.

I will see how jamming vs. not jamming works in the future.
 
Lordy lordy. That was pretty funny though. I'd go through the roof too.. lol.
I'd a brought or borrowed a rod to nudge it on out myself.
 
And there is another reason why go to a "organized range"? I'm starting to feel better allready since I posted "Range Rage". Sorry to hear it though.
 
Certaindeaf, the problem is that I did have my own rod and tools, and I was about to do it myself, but I got the bright idea to tell the RO so he didn't freak out that I was doing something myself without his all knowing power. Believe me, I have been kicking myself and replaying the scenario in my head all weekend.

Unforunately, Loose noose, that is my only option for anything beyond 50 - 100 yards... I hate it too. Some day I'll have a few hundred acres.
 
I feel your pain and understand why it ruined your day. I would've come unglued when the RO grabbed my rifle. Might be a good idea to have a little talk with the powers-at-be.
 
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I hear you and I can totally see it happening to perhaps even me just to be polite.. I can also see it being like an out of body nightmare.. live and learn.
 
I don't even tell the RO if there's a problem I can't fix myself. I just case the rifle and take it to the gunsmith.

They come over and watch us, sometimes, but usually don't say anything.
 
You coulda probably even poked it sidewards with a stick from the breech and easily dislodged it but I think you know/knew this hence the Aaaarhg!
 
WOW... If someone had done that to my Cooper 54 Varmint I would have killed them!! Perplexing that the bullet was seated in the rifling deep enough to dislodge the bullet from the brass. I would REALLY be concerned with pressure spikes. When developing a new load, I use a Sinclair Seating Depth Gage to determine COL for my brass/bullet combinations. By determing the depth of the combination, I can control the seating of the bullet to 1/1000" thus No bullets sitting on the rifling... Just a thought.
 
The bullets are jammed into the rifling on purpose. I have an OAL measuring tool cut from the same reamer used to cut my chamber and throat. Some bullets like to be "jammed" some do not.

They only slightly force into the rifling, but that along with the cooling of the barrel grabbed onto this one. I also do not crimp.
 
You let a stranger relieve you of your rifle and now you're upset because you found out after he did that he's an idiot...Sounds backwards to me.
 
You let a stranger relieve you of your rifle and now you're upset because you found out after he did that he's an idiot...Sounds backwards to me.

I let the range officer at one of the most popular shooting ranges in the country take my rifle off of the line when I had a problem so that he would not kick me off of the range when I picked up my rifle and turned up upright to clear it out myself. You don't shoot too much, do you?
 
most popular range or not, i wouldn't let anyone just take my rifle and start walking away with it. especially if he didn't understand the problem.

glad it turned out ok though.
 
So, when you guys are at a range or competition next and one of the ROs sees what he thinks is a potentially unsafe situation and takes the gun away from the line, you are all going to yell at him and grab your gun away from him? Good luck.

Like I said, I've been kicking myself and repeating the situation in my head over and over again now. If I could do it again, I wouldn't have even told him, obviously.
 
I'd have probably just went about my business as if I were cleaning the barrel. If they kick me off, they kick me off, but at least I would have avoided that maddening mess they created for you.
 
Put that rifle BACK in the case, take it home, and fix it yourself. From NOW on.

Be sure to mention Billy Bob Idiot's name LOUD & OFTEN on firearms boards like this, so Billy Bob Idiot gets no MORE work. Ever. And hopefully the range goes bust, and gets bought up by people who actually know HOW to run it.
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dscottdennison said:
So, when you guys are at a range or competition next and one of the ROs sees what he thinks is a potentially unsafe situation and takes the gun away from the line, you are all going to yell at him and grab your gun away from him?

Actually, yes. The RO can either give it back, or put it inside my gun bag and I'll leave if he thinks I'm unsafe. I don't know any RO who would forceably take someone's gun from him and not return it.


dscottdennison said:
So he grabs my rifle like it is his and barks at me to follow him inside.


Or more to the point, you don't get to take my firearm from me unless I say you may have it.
 
Actually, yes. The RO can either give it back, or put it inside my gun bag and I'll leave if he thinks I'm unsafe. I don't know any RO who would forceably take someone's gun from him and not return it.

I would if I thought it were unsafe for the 500 other people standing around under my watch, and escort him to somewhere safe.


You guys are really focusing on the point that the range officer was a little rude when he picked up my rifle to bring it inside? Jesus.
 
Dscott, just out of curiosity was your weapon grounded or did he grab it from your hands? And in either case, did he ask first? He appears to be somewhat overly officious.
 
It was on the bench and we were both looking at it and handling it. He then just said follow me and we went inside... Yes, he is rather rude. He is literally the "range nazi"

You all act like somebody was stealing my rifle and I was letting them...
 
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