bokchoi
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And now it's time for...
BOKCHOI CHOOSES HIS NEXT 9MM!
Starring:
Beretta 92FS, HK USP9F, Glock 17, Para-Ordnance 18.9 LDA, and Walther P99!
Alright, here we go.
1. Beretta 92FS
Pro: I've always liked Berettas. They're super smooth, sharp looking, and they have Chow Yun-Fat's seal of approval. The trigger rubs well on me, and magazines are easy enough to get.
Con: I hate hate hate hate HATE safety/decocker combos, especially slide-mounted ones. I just do. They make baby Jesus cry. They make ME cry :banghead: . Racking the slide becomes a chore. Cocked and Locked is but a memory.
The Plan: I want a Beretta Brigadier, if any Beretta. Seeing I'm not going to learn to pull off any John Woo moves anytime soon, the garden-variety 92FS seems a little too overly common to me, unless I get two
. The Vertec's 1911-style grip angle bugs the bejeezus out of me, and I have no need for light rails.
2. HK USP 9mm
Pro: I've owned one of these, and in a flash of semi-idiocy, I sold it. It was unbelievably reliable; I'd trust my life to it in a heartbeat. It was all nice and tactical-y, the oil runoff good enough to be collected in jars and sold as "Tactical juice" at Safeway.
Con: The trigger was a nightmare. Mine was an AA, and they updated the trigger the next year, making my existence unbearable :banghead: before I discovered the joy that was the P7M8, and ultimately S&W revolvers. Also, the gun was POLYMER. It just doesn't get along with the rest of my family of Sigs, CZs, and P7s.
The Plan: Though I already have an HK, I wouldn't mind a USP now, I've improved my trigger control enough that the USP trigger doesn't bug me as much as it used to, plus whatever improvement was made. It was ultimately reliable, and despite it's personality quirks, I'm missing it already.
3. Glock 17
Pro: The E-Pit-O-Me of "work gun". You could send it to hell to buy coffee, and it would still return your car with a full tank. Despite all the bad press, I don't believe very much of it; this gun is made to work, and made to last. It's simple enough to not screw anything up with, and I don't have much gripe about the trigger either, no matter what anyone says.
Con: Once again, there is an imbalance in the force. This time, it comes with a striker, something else that doesn't rate high up there in my books. More importantly, however, is the grip angle... I can't stand the grip angle of a Glock; to me it's like someone decided to put a rifle stock on a handgun, minus the stock. It's that awkward. That, and despite what I do or don't believe about Glock failures, I have seen a graveyard of nothing but cracked Glock frames...
it took me a while afterwards to sleep normally again.
The Plan: Glocks are nice, but unless someone can convince me otherwise, I'd prefer to put my money where the USP and P99 are; the best reason to own a Glock for me would be ubiquity; everyone has one, but everyone has one for a reason.
4. Para-Ordnance 18.9 LDA
Pro: Er, Todd Jarett uses one? I think. Nevermind, it's a 1911-style pistol, minus everything about 1911s that bug me. No SA-only, no small magazine capacity, no too-thin grips for my too-big hands. It's made in Canada, and I love Canada. Best of all, it's a 1911, and it's in 9mm; something that always intrigues me.
Con: Er, it's a Para
. I've heard great things about the LDA, but not much love for the P-series. It still feels like a gamble. Also, the LDA is still confusing; someone described it as more like a Glock trigger, and it still isn't a true DOA, as it needs to be reset. The large partcount would likely diminish reliability/durability, but i haven't read/found enough accounts to suggest this to be the case.
The Plan: I don't know. I've always wanted a Para, but I'm also the kind of person who wants a "perfect" pistol out-of-the-box; I don't want to have to fiddle with it, and in my experience anything wrong with any 1911-type gun besides the Government model always seems to balloon into a whole pile of "inherent design problems", whether they are or not. Still, this is a gun I'd like to own someday, despite all my prejudices.
5. Walther P99
Pro: Bond. Yes, but that's not all; good track record, reliable, and good-looking. The trigger reset is unbelievable, and it's comfortable; Bond may use this gun, but yes, even Bond uses it for a reason.
Con: The first trigger pull is LONG. Not "are-we-there-yet" long, more like, "Let's walk to Nunavut" long. Also, once again, this gun is a polymer, and a striker. By now obviously not big minuses, but they throw off my precious balance, even though the gun is better balanced than a USP. Still, the wierdo trigger confuses the hell out of me, and I don't understand why I'd prefer it over something like a Glock trigger.
The Plan: I haven't heard anything bad about the P99 whatsoever, and everyone I know loves it. The gun is also better balanced than the USP, and definately more comfortable than a Glock. Despite the wacky trigger and the fact that they extend the barrel slightly out of the slide for Canadian consumption, there's not much to hate about this gun.
These are about what I've narrowed my selection down to... I'd love to take in your suggestions for more guns, but due to the wonderful Canadian government, these are all that are available. As I've already mentioned, I already have a P7M8, a CZ-75B, and a Sig P226. My nifty 4-pistol case has one more pocket, and it's screaming to be filled.
WHO WILL BE THE WINNER? Please tell me what you guys think.
BOKCHOI CHOOSES HIS NEXT 9MM!
Starring:
Beretta 92FS, HK USP9F, Glock 17, Para-Ordnance 18.9 LDA, and Walther P99!
Alright, here we go.
1. Beretta 92FS
Pro: I've always liked Berettas. They're super smooth, sharp looking, and they have Chow Yun-Fat's seal of approval. The trigger rubs well on me, and magazines are easy enough to get.
Con: I hate hate hate hate HATE safety/decocker combos, especially slide-mounted ones. I just do. They make baby Jesus cry. They make ME cry :banghead: . Racking the slide becomes a chore. Cocked and Locked is but a memory.
The Plan: I want a Beretta Brigadier, if any Beretta. Seeing I'm not going to learn to pull off any John Woo moves anytime soon, the garden-variety 92FS seems a little too overly common to me, unless I get two
. The Vertec's 1911-style grip angle bugs the bejeezus out of me, and I have no need for light rails.2. HK USP 9mm
Pro: I've owned one of these, and in a flash of semi-idiocy, I sold it. It was unbelievably reliable; I'd trust my life to it in a heartbeat. It was all nice and tactical-y, the oil runoff good enough to be collected in jars and sold as "Tactical juice" at Safeway.
Con: The trigger was a nightmare. Mine was an AA, and they updated the trigger the next year, making my existence unbearable :banghead: before I discovered the joy that was the P7M8, and ultimately S&W revolvers. Also, the gun was POLYMER. It just doesn't get along with the rest of my family of Sigs, CZs, and P7s.
The Plan: Though I already have an HK, I wouldn't mind a USP now, I've improved my trigger control enough that the USP trigger doesn't bug me as much as it used to, plus whatever improvement was made. It was ultimately reliable, and despite it's personality quirks, I'm missing it already.
3. Glock 17
Pro: The E-Pit-O-Me of "work gun". You could send it to hell to buy coffee, and it would still return your car with a full tank. Despite all the bad press, I don't believe very much of it; this gun is made to work, and made to last. It's simple enough to not screw anything up with, and I don't have much gripe about the trigger either, no matter what anyone says.
Con: Once again, there is an imbalance in the force. This time, it comes with a striker, something else that doesn't rate high up there in my books. More importantly, however, is the grip angle... I can't stand the grip angle of a Glock; to me it's like someone decided to put a rifle stock on a handgun, minus the stock. It's that awkward. That, and despite what I do or don't believe about Glock failures, I have seen a graveyard of nothing but cracked Glock frames...
it took me a while afterwards to sleep normally again.The Plan: Glocks are nice, but unless someone can convince me otherwise, I'd prefer to put my money where the USP and P99 are; the best reason to own a Glock for me would be ubiquity; everyone has one, but everyone has one for a reason.
4. Para-Ordnance 18.9 LDA
Pro: Er, Todd Jarett uses one? I think. Nevermind, it's a 1911-style pistol, minus everything about 1911s that bug me. No SA-only, no small magazine capacity, no too-thin grips for my too-big hands. It's made in Canada, and I love Canada. Best of all, it's a 1911, and it's in 9mm; something that always intrigues me.
Con: Er, it's a Para
. I've heard great things about the LDA, but not much love for the P-series. It still feels like a gamble. Also, the LDA is still confusing; someone described it as more like a Glock trigger, and it still isn't a true DOA, as it needs to be reset. The large partcount would likely diminish reliability/durability, but i haven't read/found enough accounts to suggest this to be the case.The Plan: I don't know. I've always wanted a Para, but I'm also the kind of person who wants a "perfect" pistol out-of-the-box; I don't want to have to fiddle with it, and in my experience anything wrong with any 1911-type gun besides the Government model always seems to balloon into a whole pile of "inherent design problems", whether they are or not. Still, this is a gun I'd like to own someday, despite all my prejudices.
5. Walther P99
Pro: Bond
. Yes, but that's not all; good track record, reliable, and good-looking. The trigger reset is unbelievable, and it's comfortable; Bond may use this gun, but yes, even Bond uses it for a reason.Con: The first trigger pull is LONG. Not "are-we-there-yet" long, more like, "Let's walk to Nunavut" long. Also, once again, this gun is a polymer, and a striker. By now obviously not big minuses, but they throw off my precious balance, even though the gun is better balanced than a USP. Still, the wierdo trigger confuses the hell out of me, and I don't understand why I'd prefer it over something like a Glock trigger.
The Plan: I haven't heard anything bad about the P99 whatsoever, and everyone I know loves it. The gun is also better balanced than the USP, and definately more comfortable than a Glock. Despite the wacky trigger and the fact that they extend the barrel slightly out of the slide for Canadian consumption, there's not much to hate about this gun.
These are about what I've narrowed my selection down to... I'd love to take in your suggestions for more guns, but due to the wonderful Canadian government, these are all that are available. As I've already mentioned, I already have a P7M8, a CZ-75B, and a Sig P226. My nifty 4-pistol case has one more pocket, and it's screaming to be filled.
WHO WILL BE THE WINNER? Please tell me what you guys think.
