Any British Highroad members?
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Cosmoline
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I don't know who Robert Oulds is, but that pic could have come right off our member's gallery 
He needs to get straightened out on trigger discipline, however.
I hope he dumps the UK and moves to the free world before they can put him in prison as an enemy of the state for owning a levergun. The UK is a lost cause. It's become the Brave New World of Huxley's novel. Sadly, so have many of our own states.
He needs to get straightened out on trigger discipline, however.I hope he dumps the UK and moves to the free world before they can put him in prison as an enemy of the state for owning a levergun. The UK is a lost cause. It's become the Brave New World of Huxley's novel. Sadly, so have many of our own states.
agricola
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Its worth remembering that, for all the criticism of Labour and socialists that takes place here, the vast bulk of firearms legislation was enacted by the Tories.
It is also worth remembering that while we may often disagree with what they do, the folks on the other side of the Big Pond have a right to elect their own government. If and when they take strong exception to how a particular political party is performing that party will be out in the cold as soon as the next election comes along. Neither we nor they overthrow a government by force of arms, but rather by force of ballots.
As a resident of the U.S. state of Arizona, I woundn't care to reside in say London. Fortunately I don't have to. But they have their way of doing things, and I accept that they have a right to do what they do. Discussions and debate are fine - so long as both sides remember that they can't impose their judgments on the opposite side.
As a resident of the U.S. state of Arizona, I woundn't care to reside in say London. Fortunately I don't have to. But they have their way of doing things, and I accept that they have a right to do what they do. Discussions and debate are fine - so long as both sides remember that they can't impose their judgments on the opposite side.
2t2 crash
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"Gun Nut"... how wonderful. sounds like our liberal morons here
Cosmoline
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I'm all for respecting differences. But draconian laws that undermine basic human freedoms are unjust even IF they are supported by a majority of the population. The UK was slowly but surely transformed from a freedom-loving nation where a gentleman could own and carry firearms without restrictions to a nanny-state where citizens have become sheep--totally reliant on the state for day-to-day survival and protection. The change took 100 years to impose. Before WWI, gun control measures were laughed out of Parliament. By the 1990's, the nation had swung around 180 degrees and had decided guns represented the ultimate evil. I encourage all Brits to violate that nation's absurd gun control laws.
G36-UK
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I'm from Britain. All I really have as a gun-related hobby is Airsoft, but I come here to find out about what we're missing, as well as get some firearms advice for my (admittedly crappy) stories.
I did join the Kerry forums, to argue in favour of letting the AWB die, but got a bollocking from "bigskybrad", claiming I should have no say in US laws. I see that most of you are a lot nicer.
We do get some guns, but you've got to get a FAC (FireArms Certificate), which you can't get without a legitimate reason, and not unless you're over 21.
Our Gun Control Network has undoubtedly been getting lessons in B.S. from your Brady Campaign, as practically everyone here dislikes most things gun-shaped.
I did join the Kerry forums, to argue in favour of letting the AWB die, but got a bollocking from "bigskybrad", claiming I should have no say in US laws. I see that most of you are a lot nicer.
We do get some guns, but you've got to get a FAC (FireArms Certificate), which you can't get without a legitimate reason, and not unless you're over 21.
Our Gun Control Network has undoubtedly been getting lessons in B.S. from your Brady Campaign, as practically everyone here dislikes most things gun-shaped.
P95Carry
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Typical, classic, Sun broadsheet hype and drama! I am EX Brit - and am sad at all that has occurred.
It is hard to make out all he has on display - holster may contain a (legal) black powder revo ... he holds a (legal) lever action ... probably a 357 ... on table is a deer rifle probably. The foreground item tho, with banana mag .. now that is more of a surprise - could be AK or SKS perhaps ... or .223 Mini - but those are banned also cos semi's. Finally, the other revo - on table. Could be an SRH (illegal) but hard to make it out.
Not sure if this pic will hotlink ....
agricola
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P95,
Can you remind everyone of that the next time someone posts a Sun article that appears to show self-defence not existing?
Can you remind everyone of that the next time someone posts a Sun article that appears to show self-defence not existing?
Apparently, the AK was a legal, modified single-shot weapon.
(And as such, I can't see why they suspended him, or why some of his superiors are "defending" him by saying it was "out of character" or "a naiive mistake", rather than "absolutely nothing wrong so why are you complaining about it?")
From the Guardian:
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,9061,1394412,00.html
Tory candidate axed for posing with AK-47
Tania Branigan, political correspondent
Thursday January 20, 2005
The Guardian
A Tory candidate who "shot himself in the foot" by allowing a friend to photograph him posing with a hunting knife, rifle and other guns - including an AK-47 - was dropped last night by party officials.
But their attempts to draw a line under the furore ran into difficulty as Robert Oulds, who was standing in Slough, pointedly announced that he had not resigned.
Senior Conservatives excised the 28-year-old from the list of approved candidates within hours of the pictures appearing in a tabloid newspaper under the headline "Tory gun nut". One showed him lounging on a bed, holding a revolver and surrounded by guns.
The publicity was particularly unwelcome in a week in which the party is escalating its pre-election assault on Labour.
"This was a serious error of judgment which was unacceptable in a parliamentary candidate," said Andrew Mackay, the deputy party chairman, who is responsible for candidates. "We have had no choice but to remove him from the list."
Mr Oulds, who is law and order spokesman for the Conservative group on Chiswick council, west London, responded: "I have not tendered my resignation as PPC [prospective parliamentary candidate] for Slough. I have apologised to the deputy Conservative chairman for any embarrassment caused.
"Contrary to reports, I have done nothing illegal and will continue to represent my constituents as a councillor. I am taking legal advice on various issues."
He declined to comment on whether he was considering an appeal against the decision.
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Mr Oulds is the latest of several Tories to lose their candidacies over the last year, although most of those have been deselected by local activists. The incident also has unfortunate echoes of the last election campaign, in which a Conservative candidate in the party's most winnable seat, Torbay, was accused of a firearms offence. The charge was eventually dropped, but not before the Liberal Democrat MP, Adrian Sanders, had increased his majority from 12 to 6,708.
Mr Oulds was fighting a Labour majority of more than 12,500 in the seat, held by Fiona Mactaggart. He is well-connected through his directorship of the strongly Eurosceptic thinktank the Bruges Group.
Previously a freelance sports broadcaster, he told the Sun that the photos were taken at the home of another local Tory. He added that the weapons were all licensed and legal and that the AK-47 had been changed to fire single shots.
The photos were taken on a camera phone and Mr Oulds allegedly forwarded them to friends himself, only to learn that someone had then posted them on a website.
His campaign manager, Nik Stewert, who is also deputy chair of the Slough Conservative Association, said Mr Oulds had "shot himself in the foot". He described him as a man of integrity and said the pictures were "completely out of character".
"We are not talking about deliberate lies or fraud - we are talking about a simple, honest misjudgment by an inexperienced candidate. While I'm not excusing it I don't call it the crime of the century," he said.
(And as such, I can't see why they suspended him, or why some of his superiors are "defending" him by saying it was "out of character" or "a naiive mistake", rather than "absolutely nothing wrong so why are you complaining about it?")
From the Guardian:
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,9061,1394412,00.html
Tory candidate axed for posing with AK-47
Tania Branigan, political correspondent
Thursday January 20, 2005
The Guardian
A Tory candidate who "shot himself in the foot" by allowing a friend to photograph him posing with a hunting knife, rifle and other guns - including an AK-47 - was dropped last night by party officials.
But their attempts to draw a line under the furore ran into difficulty as Robert Oulds, who was standing in Slough, pointedly announced that he had not resigned.
Senior Conservatives excised the 28-year-old from the list of approved candidates within hours of the pictures appearing in a tabloid newspaper under the headline "Tory gun nut". One showed him lounging on a bed, holding a revolver and surrounded by guns.
The publicity was particularly unwelcome in a week in which the party is escalating its pre-election assault on Labour.
"This was a serious error of judgment which was unacceptable in a parliamentary candidate," said Andrew Mackay, the deputy party chairman, who is responsible for candidates. "We have had no choice but to remove him from the list."
Mr Oulds, who is law and order spokesman for the Conservative group on Chiswick council, west London, responded: "I have not tendered my resignation as PPC [prospective parliamentary candidate] for Slough. I have apologised to the deputy Conservative chairman for any embarrassment caused.
"Contrary to reports, I have done nothing illegal and will continue to represent my constituents as a councillor. I am taking legal advice on various issues."
He declined to comment on whether he was considering an appeal against the decision.
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Mr Oulds is the latest of several Tories to lose their candidacies over the last year, although most of those have been deselected by local activists. The incident also has unfortunate echoes of the last election campaign, in which a Conservative candidate in the party's most winnable seat, Torbay, was accused of a firearms offence. The charge was eventually dropped, but not before the Liberal Democrat MP, Adrian Sanders, had increased his majority from 12 to 6,708.
Mr Oulds was fighting a Labour majority of more than 12,500 in the seat, held by Fiona Mactaggart. He is well-connected through his directorship of the strongly Eurosceptic thinktank the Bruges Group.
Previously a freelance sports broadcaster, he told the Sun that the photos were taken at the home of another local Tory. He added that the weapons were all licensed and legal and that the AK-47 had been changed to fire single shots.
The photos were taken on a camera phone and Mr Oulds allegedly forwarded them to friends himself, only to learn that someone had then posted them on a website.
His campaign manager, Nik Stewert, who is also deputy chair of the Slough Conservative Association, said Mr Oulds had "shot himself in the foot". He described him as a man of integrity and said the pictures were "completely out of character".
"We are not talking about deliberate lies or fraud - we are talking about a simple, honest misjudgment by an inexperienced candidate. While I'm not excusing it I don't call it the crime of the century," he said.
TDPerk
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Agricola,
A) You're off topic.
B) That he had the firearms in his hand and infront of him when the picture was taken is I think true. That as a practical matter he could use them today to defend himself, even in his home, from a burglar, home invasion robber, or other attacker is not in evidence from the picture--and is still at issue, in spite of your assertions to the contrary.
Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
A) You're off topic.
B) That he had the firearms in his hand and infront of him when the picture was taken is I think true. That as a practical matter he could use them today to defend himself, even in his home, from a burglar, home invasion robber, or other attacker is not in evidence from the picture--and is still at issue, in spite of your assertions to the contrary.
Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
P95Carry
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Ag - I can't see any relevence from this to self defence! Sorry!
agricola
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TDPerk,
Are you here for any other reason than to demonstrate the behaviours you criticise in others? P95Carry mentioned the Sun, criticizing it - I agree with him. How is that off-topic? Also where have I said:
Please find that.
Iapetus,
They criticize him because the current Tory administration is spineless, scarred as they have been by the last two election results. The next election will be fought on the issue of trust - under IDS, they had a leader whose integrity was not in doubt, while the Labour Party is massively distrusted by all. The swapped the "dull" IDS for possibly the only MP who is less trusted than Blair, and will recieve the mother of all kickings at the next election, unless Blair and the majority of the Cabinet are shown to be paedophiles and remain in office on a "Kiddie-touchers have rights too" platform.
Are you here for any other reason than to demonstrate the behaviours you criticise in others? P95Carry mentioned the Sun, criticizing it - I agree with him. How is that off-topic? Also where have I said:
Please find that.
Iapetus,
They criticize him because the current Tory administration is spineless, scarred as they have been by the last two election results. The next election will be fought on the issue of trust - under IDS, they had a leader whose integrity was not in doubt, while the Labour Party is massively distrusted by all. The swapped the "dull" IDS for possibly the only MP who is less trusted than Blair, and will recieve the mother of all kickings at the next election, unless Blair and the majority of the Cabinet are shown to be paedophiles and remain in office on a "Kiddie-touchers have rights too" platform.
agricola
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P95,
As above. I was agreeing with you about the veracity of the Sun's reporting, and requested that the next time its cited as evidence you point out to those unaware of its existance what a rag it is.
As above. I was agreeing with you about the veracity of the Sun's reporting, and requested that the next time its cited as evidence you point out to those unaware of its existance what a rag it is.
P95Carry
Moderator Emeritus
Ahhh, OK ... well that is a fact for sure... and we'll throw in News of the World too I think while at it!!
it was Michael 'Something Of The Night' Howard who enthusiatically piloted the gun through Parliament.
AK might be an airgun version, or maybe one of the manually operated types that get round the ban by using a new commercial receiver.
AK might be an airgun version, or maybe one of the manually operated types that get round the ban by using a new commercial receiver.
agricola
Member
Could just be a deactivated one; lets be fair you could pick one up easily not so long ago.
Typhoon
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Hmmph! And, here we had John Kerry prancing around in camo with shotgun and dead goose, hoping to...
I don't know...appeal to us right before the election? Maybe Oulds should have arranged a proper "photo op" instead...
Sheesh.
I don't know...appeal to us right before the election? Maybe Oulds should have arranged a proper "photo op" instead...
Sheesh.
sterling180
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Stone Lodge,was a pistol range and a fullbore rifle range,that was open years ago-near Stone Lodge farm.I live a couple of miles,from central Dartford and I think that it is shocking,but not suprising that Dartford Borough Council can invest hundreds of thousands,in a new football stadium and in an American Football team-than in a newly -furnished shooting centre.
Up unitl the late 1980s,they shot centrefire semi-auto rifles, and carbines-there too.
The massacre that happend in Scotland,was the Dunblane massacre.
P95 Carry,I think that that AK47 type of rifle,is a Armscor .22LR copy-and .22s are still legal in the UK as are pump-action shotguns and semi-auto types too.There isn't anything in that picture that is remotely illegal or borderline.
That guy must have used that AK, in mini-rifle disciplines.
Typical bloody media lackies: they don't know the difference between a copy and the real deal.
They are a bunch of spineless,self-centred idiots,who sold out because they couldn't handle the pressure,from the reds in Labour and from their own stuffy members and voters.I hope that Cameron,doesn't make the same mistakes as Thatcher and Major,did,if the Tories are re-elected in the 2009,General Election.
Micheal Howard is a pro-gun politition,but the handgun ban was put through,because the Labour party,the GCN and Mrs Pearsons,Snowdrop campaign-all wanted all handguns banned.Labour jumped on the bandwagon,because they wanted to be re-elected,in the following year.So this is one reason that they are so anti-gun.
Mr Howard still is spineless and a coward and so is Douglas Hurd,who is a proud owner of a collection of shotguns.Mr Hurd was the Home Secretary,who passed the 1988 Firearm Amendment Act,in 1987/1988.
The British Deer Society are a bunch of idiots and are not fit,to advise the police and Home Office,on suitable types of guns and ammunition,for the hunting and humane dispatching of wounded deer.
For those of you older shooters,remember 1988 and 1989,on what they said about the use of semi-automatic and pump-action centrefire rifles.
No,I don't think that that AK47 is an AK shell,that contains a .177 air rifle.Certainly not one by Baikal anyway.Even if it was,why has he put an expensive scope on it? I still think that it is a .22LR AK rifle by Armscor.
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