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saltydog452:
As I said in my previous post Larry Seecamp has admitted there were problems, and apologized.. He can't do more than that.
Seecamp is not a large firearms corporation.. It is a small, family owned business, and apparently years ago it was having problems.. I hate it that you had such a bad experience but I really think it wasn't a matter of "arrogance" as much as it was too many people wanted too many pistols and capacity and manpower simply wasn't sufficient to provide.. Apparently customer service suffered accordingly and thats a bad thing.. But that problem has been resolved, corrected, fixed, whatever term you chose to use and it's ancient history. But,if you chose to wear your Seecamp complaint like an albatross around your neck forever you certainly are within your rights to do so.
A person screws up, admits it, apologizes for it, corrects the problem.. What more can you ask?
I have read pretty much every post on the seecamp forum for months and I've yet to hear anyone complain about a recoil spring problem. The common thread that runs thru the seecamp forum 99% of the time is AMMO related. Folks by nature want to try the latest and greatest 32cal self defense round and some of it simply will not function properly in the diminutive little pistol.. That is a given going in with a Seecamp and I've yet seen anyone whose Seecamp LWS32 would not function with one of the two recommended rounds (Silvertip, Speer Gold Dots ). Some folks pistols will do quite well with other rounds , such as Cor-Bon, but the pistols were not designed for other ammo and if you are determined to use other ammo don't complain when it won't function properly using it.
As to the other gentleman's remark about lack of availability of extra factory magazines in the past all you have to do now is contact Seecamp via phone (talk to Sandi or Sue), fax, or usps and for $35.00+shipping they will have one or more on the way to you immediately. I think this price holds true both for the 32 and 380cal magazines, but I could be mistaken.
When I ordered both of my Seecamps I did pay $35.00 extra each time for a 2nd magazine and received them with the pistols. As a member of the Seecamp forum when I placed an order for a personalized Seecamp LWS32 for my bride I ordered an extra magazine and Larry personally engraved his signature on it for her.(or "signed it".) The signed magazine is a one time deal for any forum member(free), but it just shows that a small customer oriented company such as that owned by Larry Seecamp can do those little "special" things a larger corporation owned company might not be able to.
The Seecamp LWS32 that was being scalped at $600+ several years ago, and then with a waiting period is available now at less than the retail price of $425.00 There IS a waiting list of over a year for the LWS380, and the price IS $795.00. Again scalpers are getting 1000+ for the LWS380's in places. Larry Seecamp is NOT doing the price gouging, it's a dealer "supply and demand" just as you would find with a car dealer or anything else.
In my humble opinion arrogance was never a problem with Larry Seecamp and the Seecamp company.. I honestly think Larry was indeed overwhelmed by demand, understaffed and customer service suffered. You were caught in that period of terrible or non-existent customer service and I don't blame you for being upset. If the Seecamp company were being run in the same fashion today you would STILL have a complaint. But it's not.
I recommend to ANYONE who might have an interest in the fine Seecamp pistols and wish a birds eye view of Larry Seecamp and the Seecamp way of doing business you monitor the www.seecamp.com forum for a week or so. Don't register, don't post... Just read the posts of others. Read any complaints that pop up, and see how Larry handles them. Just sit back and watch the interaction between the members of the Seecamp forum and make up your own mind. There is even a sub-section entitled: Ask Larry Seecamp, and anyone can ask Larry a question and it will be answered in pretty short order.
I belong to several firearm forums and I have never found a nicer bunch of folks than those on the extended Seecamp family forum.
In my limited experience this is only the 2nd, that's TWO folks with a continuing complaint about Seecamp. That is saltydog452, and Kevin Q. I believe both of those issues were based on incidents several years ago, and not recent Seecamp history. I'm sure many others over that period had problems too, but you just don't hear much about them.
I DO know that the few folks who have come on the www.seecamp.forum with issues have had those issues resolved in a very short time to their complete satisfaction.. Generally folks who come on the forum in foul moods because of one issue or another shortly comes BACK on the forum posting how gratified they were to have their problems resolved so quickly, and how unusual it was to be able to talk directly to the president of the company with their problem.. Then we wind up with another happy www.seecamp.com forum member.
I am more than willing to fess up that I have become a Seecamp "homer".. I have been so pleased with every aspect of my Seecamp dealings, both with the actual firearms and the forum that I have turned into a big Seecamp fan. I have two LWS32's now with one LWS380 on order. I have sold other guns to buy the Seecamps, and imo it has been a wonderful trade in doing so. I enjoy the give and take on the www.seecamp.forum and I honestly do not believe there is a better, higher quality mousegun in this world than the Seecamp.
saltydog452, if you take offense at anything I've said, it wasn't deliberate. I have admitted you had a legitimate issue with Seecamp years ago.. I just think if you check out Seecamp NOW you might realize the past problems were real, but temporary, and never intentional.. And, no longer exists..
If you still prefer not to deal with the Seecamp of 2007 that is certainly your choice. And again, I apologize personally if my comments have been offensive to you.
Best Wishes,
J. Pomeroy
As I said in my previous post Larry Seecamp has admitted there were problems, and apologized.. He can't do more than that.
Seecamp is not a large firearms corporation.. It is a small, family owned business, and apparently years ago it was having problems.. I hate it that you had such a bad experience but I really think it wasn't a matter of "arrogance" as much as it was too many people wanted too many pistols and capacity and manpower simply wasn't sufficient to provide.. Apparently customer service suffered accordingly and thats a bad thing.. But that problem has been resolved, corrected, fixed, whatever term you chose to use and it's ancient history. But,if you chose to wear your Seecamp complaint like an albatross around your neck forever you certainly are within your rights to do so.
A person screws up, admits it, apologizes for it, corrects the problem.. What more can you ask?
I have read pretty much every post on the seecamp forum for months and I've yet to hear anyone complain about a recoil spring problem. The common thread that runs thru the seecamp forum 99% of the time is AMMO related. Folks by nature want to try the latest and greatest 32cal self defense round and some of it simply will not function properly in the diminutive little pistol.. That is a given going in with a Seecamp and I've yet seen anyone whose Seecamp LWS32 would not function with one of the two recommended rounds (Silvertip, Speer Gold Dots ). Some folks pistols will do quite well with other rounds , such as Cor-Bon, but the pistols were not designed for other ammo and if you are determined to use other ammo don't complain when it won't function properly using it.
As to the other gentleman's remark about lack of availability of extra factory magazines in the past all you have to do now is contact Seecamp via phone (talk to Sandi or Sue), fax, or usps and for $35.00+shipping they will have one or more on the way to you immediately. I think this price holds true both for the 32 and 380cal magazines, but I could be mistaken.
When I ordered both of my Seecamps I did pay $35.00 extra each time for a 2nd magazine and received them with the pistols. As a member of the Seecamp forum when I placed an order for a personalized Seecamp LWS32 for my bride I ordered an extra magazine and Larry personally engraved his signature on it for her.(or "signed it".) The signed magazine is a one time deal for any forum member(free), but it just shows that a small customer oriented company such as that owned by Larry Seecamp can do those little "special" things a larger corporation owned company might not be able to.
The Seecamp LWS32 that was being scalped at $600+ several years ago, and then with a waiting period is available now at less than the retail price of $425.00 There IS a waiting list of over a year for the LWS380, and the price IS $795.00. Again scalpers are getting 1000+ for the LWS380's in places. Larry Seecamp is NOT doing the price gouging, it's a dealer "supply and demand" just as you would find with a car dealer or anything else.
In my humble opinion arrogance was never a problem with Larry Seecamp and the Seecamp company.. I honestly think Larry was indeed overwhelmed by demand, understaffed and customer service suffered. You were caught in that period of terrible or non-existent customer service and I don't blame you for being upset. If the Seecamp company were being run in the same fashion today you would STILL have a complaint. But it's not.
I recommend to ANYONE who might have an interest in the fine Seecamp pistols and wish a birds eye view of Larry Seecamp and the Seecamp way of doing business you monitor the www.seecamp.com forum for a week or so. Don't register, don't post... Just read the posts of others. Read any complaints that pop up, and see how Larry handles them. Just sit back and watch the interaction between the members of the Seecamp forum and make up your own mind. There is even a sub-section entitled: Ask Larry Seecamp, and anyone can ask Larry a question and it will be answered in pretty short order.
I belong to several firearm forums and I have never found a nicer bunch of folks than those on the extended Seecamp family forum.
In my limited experience this is only the 2nd, that's TWO folks with a continuing complaint about Seecamp. That is saltydog452, and Kevin Q. I believe both of those issues were based on incidents several years ago, and not recent Seecamp history. I'm sure many others over that period had problems too, but you just don't hear much about them.
I DO know that the few folks who have come on the www.seecamp.forum with issues have had those issues resolved in a very short time to their complete satisfaction.. Generally folks who come on the forum in foul moods because of one issue or another shortly comes BACK on the forum posting how gratified they were to have their problems resolved so quickly, and how unusual it was to be able to talk directly to the president of the company with their problem.. Then we wind up with another happy www.seecamp.com forum member.
I am more than willing to fess up that I have become a Seecamp "homer".. I have been so pleased with every aspect of my Seecamp dealings, both with the actual firearms and the forum that I have turned into a big Seecamp fan. I have two LWS32's now with one LWS380 on order. I have sold other guns to buy the Seecamps, and imo it has been a wonderful trade in doing so. I enjoy the give and take on the www.seecamp.forum and I honestly do not believe there is a better, higher quality mousegun in this world than the Seecamp.
saltydog452, if you take offense at anything I've said, it wasn't deliberate. I have admitted you had a legitimate issue with Seecamp years ago.. I just think if you check out Seecamp NOW you might realize the past problems were real, but temporary, and never intentional.. And, no longer exists..
If you still prefer not to deal with the Seecamp of 2007 that is certainly your choice. And again, I apologize personally if my comments have been offensive to you.
Best Wishes,
J. Pomeroy
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