AR-15 Talk at the Gunshop...

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So I went into my local gunshop today to see if they had the powder I wanted. They didn't.

However, while I was there, two older men were sitting on stools in front of the counter. One had two AR-15s in front of him. They were pretty standard, one had A2 sights and one had an Eotech. Their conversation went something like this.

First guy: "I'm not saying it's not useful, it's just that I wouldn't trust it to put down a dog, much less a person."

AR guy: "I hear ya, these guns are not meant for shootin' at any farther than from me to you though."

First guy: "Haha, yeah, these are like smellin'-distance guns."

AR guy: "Yep, but I wont volunteer to stand at twenty feet and take a shot."

First guy: "Well no that'd be dumb. Maybe twenty yards or somethin', but then you can't really hit anything past thirty of forty yards."

AR guy: "Yep. Good thing I got a big clip!"

they both roll at this

AR guy: "But really, if it's within forty yards I could probably hit it a few times. They aint serious guns at all though."




I left soon after this last quip.

There was no way I was interjecting any facts into that discussion. Me, a 20 year old long haired college kid trying to tell these old fellas that they're wrong? Yep, that'd go over really well.

I was tempted to leave the URL to THR with the guy holding down the counter and have him hand it out after every new gun purchase.
 
Who cares about those guys.

I'd challenge them to a friendly match, though. If they can't hit a man-sized target at 40 yards with an AR, it should be easy to win some beers.

I will grant that A2 sights are probably only good for a fist-size group of 50 rounds at 25 yards with a carbine, standing offhand without a sling, in the dark. On a rifle, that big front sight post gets small enough to see where the target is, but not with a carbine-length sight radius.
 
Funny stuff. Like the fella who was telling me that ammo shot from a glock has less velocity than that fired from a metal frame gun because the plastic flexes.
 
Like the fella who was telling me that ammo shot from a glock has less velocity than that fired from a metal frame gun because the plastic flexes.

Someone said THAT! Wow. They all sound like a bunch of Fudds. You can't argue with stupid. :banghead:
 
you're smarter than you look, Deer Hunter :)

+1 on winning some beers from them
 
Same thing happened to me one day at the range but I got to prove the old-timers wrong. They didn't think I should even attempt 100yds when they saw me putting up targets. They were a bit chagrined when I put rounds on paper at 200yds with federals wal-mart .223 ammo. In my case I got to prove them wrong. Then they quipped that their pellet guns punched bigger holes. Oh well, can't win em all.
 
I don't think the AR is the end-all of rifles. Much as I like the AR as a fun shooter, I'm not entirely sure why people spend a lot of money on, say, an AR-10 for hunting. It's kind of unwieldy for big game hunting, and it doesn't shoot anything special.

However, the AR may really BE the end-all of semiauto match rifles. They're nothing if not inherently accurate. Acceptable accuracy in an AR for a given application is about the same as acceptable accuracy in a bolt gun. Not a lot of semiautos can boast that.

Even a basic AR shoots as accurately as any decent-quality hunting rifle these guys might like.
 
Shoulda walked up to the counter and said "If I can make a 6" group at 100 yards with either rifle will you give it to me?"



Or you could just ask them if either of 'em ever heard of a magical place called Camp Perry.
 
deerhunter-
anything you said probably wouldn't have made a difference. some of the guys that talk guns are always right, no matter how many times you prove them wrong.

walking up and just simply asking if either one had ever served in the military or ever shot one, might have given them food for thought, but then again it sounds like they weren't very capable of thinking.
 
They have to talk like that. Real Men know poodleshooters are only good for shooting-well- poodles, the kind you find digging up a rancher's field. Real Men also know that ARs only appeal to Mall Ninjas who are addicted to the latest fashion accessory Tacti-Cool Swiss Army Rifles. Once Real Men recite the Ritual Prayers the the gods of Real Men, they can go ahead and purchase the fun shooting AR without being excommunicated
 
Just to give the guys at the counter an even break at least they were in a GUN SHOP and not behind a walnut desk on CAPITOL HILL spouting gun legislation.

They are brothers in arms and should have been corrected in their misguided notions of The AR platform.

You could have gained their respect and taught them a lesson at the same time by interjecting::cuss:

Did you know that our troops are armed with this weapon and have to qualify out to and beyond ranges of 600 meters.?

Also in its issued condition it is superior in accuracy to the standard AK 47 .30 cal round ,and with the heavier bullets as lethal at the same distances.

These are the people that tread the same ground as most of the regular readers of this forum, they need to be educated in the ways of the brotherhood of arms and not left to pass on their cancerous mis-information.

And by the way imho those two sounded like they crawled out from under a cabage leaf somewhere:D:
 
or you could have joined in the ar bashing and pointed out that real men only shoot 7.62x54r lmao
 
If they were older guys they may have been having some fun at your expense.

They could have been trying to bait you into a discussion about the AR or perhaps they just wanted to see if you knew anything about them.

You have to watch out for some of those older fellas, sometimes all is not what it seems with them. :neener:
 
it reminds me some of the times ive been to the indoor range,25 yards max, where ive seen guys with ar15's & mini 14's shooting at those huge targets of a guy with a gun,from about 7-10 yards downrange.they might as well sell their guns & just bring rocks or slingshots if they are shooting that close.:rolleyes:.....
 
It sounds like neither one of them had ever shot the little black rifle. As someone who has fired several hunderd of them and thousands of rounds at all distances...anyone who thinks they are safe any closer than 800+ yards is a fool. Soon to be a dead fool. It was regular practice to see fist sized groups of 10 rounds fired rapid fire at 300 yards. and common to see 20 rounds inside a 18" bull at 500 yards. All with stock open sights. MG
 
I agree with ArmedBear here. The AR is nothing if not accurate! Ergonomics are quite good, caliber might be questionable, but accuracy? No way. Chances are a guy could out shoot the gun store heroes and make some money doing it! Then again maybe they ARE match shooters with sub 1/2 MOA rifles... but it sure doesn't sound like it.
 
Real Men also know that ARs only appeal to Mall Ninjas who are addicted to the latest fashion accessory Tacti-Cool Swiss Army Rifles.
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Well, I think we have to admit that there is a reason some people may think that...:)

And let's just say that I have seen AR's that couldn't hit paper at 50. It wasn't the fault of the rifles...

Then again maybe they ARE match shooters with sub 1/2 MOA rifles... but it sure doesn't sound like it.
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Maybe, but an AR is about the only military-pattern semiauto that can be easily bought or built with 1/2 MOA accuracy.
 
Fellas,

Their conversation was going on before I entered the store. I was in the back of the store looking at powders with one of the workers while they were shootin' the bull up front. Then I checked the used gun racks. I highly doubt they were trying to bait me. I just genuinely believe they did not know what they were talking about. The clerk waiting on them looked a bit frazzled.

The funny thing was, the guy who was buying them (or maybe already owned them) was totally for the idea of owning ARs, at least judging from the way he spoke. It's just he didn't seem to know much about them.

On a different note...

I love being the only one on the 100 yard range using iron sights. :)
 
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