Ok I was looking at a m&p15pc.No one has in stock.I build & work on mostly long guns. Can someone give me advice on how to put togather a real accurate ar type gun. I will use it mostly for hogs & varmits. Want good barrel,trigger 3#. What type of sights or scope for quick sighting on running target? .223 cal. Do I go to RRA to get one or piece one togather? Thanks for the help and advice. JP
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For $800 you can get a PSA 16" Carbine with a Geissele trigger and red dot optic included. Seems to fit the bill. I just got one and love it. Can't speak to the accuracy too much since I have just plinked indoors but it should be plenty accurate for hunting. A red dot is probably the fastest acquisition type of sight....perfect for your needs. No eye relief or parallax to worry about. The geissele trigger I think is 2# on first stage and 2# on the second stage, and is supposed to be pretty good. (I just got the regular 16" myself, w/o red dot and with the standard trigger....it is a heavier pull but not too bad)
You could maybe build one yourself for cheaper but not much.
You could maybe build one yourself for cheaper but not much.
Abel
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Rock River is what I've been drooling over of late.
Here is about 25 pages worth of inspiration:
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2077071
Here is about 25 pages worth of inspiration:
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2077071
HOLY DIVER
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White Oak barrels are very accurate . my current target set up is a white oak 18inch barrel and a Jp trigger very good combo i'm shooting clover leaf groups at 100yards(with match ammo)
Coltdriver
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Get out a spreadsheet and put one together on paper.
You will be amazed how quickly you get past $1000.
You can get a good AR used for anywhere from $700 to $800. Some places will sell em new to you for that price. I just spoke to a buddy who got a new CMMG in 300BLK for $800 from his local gunshop.
You start putting a match barrel and a Jewel trigger and a few other goodies on one and you will get to $1500 real quick. Its seductive, you look and think well a hundred here and a hundred there and next thing you know you have spent a lot of money!
If you do your homework and study up a bit you can become a pretty good judge of an AR in a short time. Go here and see what you can put one together for:
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com
You can get cheaper and you can spend a lot more. But BCM will give you a good idea of build versus buy.
Go here and you can get the step by step how to put one together directions:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/226782_.html
To build one you will need an armorers tool and a receiver block which will cost you about $85. Or you can borrow them if you have folks in the local community.
I have a cheap propoint red dot on one and an aimpoint on another. They are great open sights and very quick to get and stay on a target, excellent for a moving target.
You get all of your parts and tools together and you can assemble one in about an hour first time out. They are addictive so be careful because nobody can have just one
You will be amazed how quickly you get past $1000.
You can get a good AR used for anywhere from $700 to $800. Some places will sell em new to you for that price. I just spoke to a buddy who got a new CMMG in 300BLK for $800 from his local gunshop.
You start putting a match barrel and a Jewel trigger and a few other goodies on one and you will get to $1500 real quick. Its seductive, you look and think well a hundred here and a hundred there and next thing you know you have spent a lot of money!
If you do your homework and study up a bit you can become a pretty good judge of an AR in a short time. Go here and see what you can put one together for:
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com
You can get cheaper and you can spend a lot more. But BCM will give you a good idea of build versus buy.
Go here and you can get the step by step how to put one together directions:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/226782_.html
To build one you will need an armorers tool and a receiver block which will cost you about $85. Or you can borrow them if you have folks in the local community.
I have a cheap propoint red dot on one and an aimpoint on another. They are great open sights and very quick to get and stay on a target, excellent for a moving target.
You get all of your parts and tools together and you can assemble one in about an hour first time out. They are addictive so be careful because nobody can have just one
First off, I WOULD NOT buy a 5.56/.223 for hogs or deer. When I have to shoot something three times to put it down I look for another caliber. If you really like the AR frame you can build your own in 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC.
If you don't feel confident with that just buy a Remington AR in their .30 caliber. Any of the above calibers will have the capability of taking medium size game. Hogs are nasty little bastards, and you don't want to piss them off with a 5.56.
If you don't feel confident with that just buy a Remington AR in their .30 caliber. Any of the above calibers will have the capability of taking medium size game. Hogs are nasty little bastards, and you don't want to piss them off with a 5.56.
As a good gunsmith you already know this stuff, or you should:
You can build a rifle exactly to your hunting specification,
but first you have to figure out your own hunting specification.
You would never build a rifle without knowing exactly how you're going to use it.
You don't generally use a 2-stage trigger for hunting.
Most AR rifles made for maximum accuracy are competition or prairie dog guns.
Match rifles are accurate, but a rifle set up for competition may not hunt well,
don't forget you need to carry that sucker all day and get it through thick brush.
3 pound trigger is at the light end of the scale for field use on running game,
that's generally a target or varmint pull.
If you decide to hunt running game with a 3 pound trigger,
be sure to practice outstanding trigger discipline.
I generally hunt with a 5 pound trigger, or 7 pound at the high end.
Rifle accuracy (all types of rifle) is generally found in the barrel, especially free float. AR no different.
Battle carbines can be used to hunt, but those are better as a defense weapon.
Most AR have a muzzle device, which you probably don't need for hunting.
Flat top receiver gives you more opportunities to mount optic sights the way you want.
Running game at closer distances, optic power should be fairly low (1 to 4 power at most).
Running game at longer distances, optic power up to 9x is common.
Coyote at long distance, some of those shooters go up to 12 or 14 power maybe.
Remington makes some AR variants set up for the hunt. Go look at them for ideas.
Given your deep experience and skill as a gunsmith, you can probably build a better gun than you can buy.
You already have most of the tools, only a barrel wrench is needed.
If you buy an upper receiver already barreled, you don't even need the barrel wrench.
What kind of rifles have you been building?
Let us know. We're into that stuff just like you.
Pictures would be great !!!
20 years ago before the Internet, hogs were dumb.
They got killed by 223 Rem and other small bore, and even archery.
Today they are smarter, because they read the internet.
They discovered that they are tough and armor plated.
So today it generally takes a large bore magnum to take them down.
No one ever should have showed them hogs how to log on to the web.
You can build a rifle exactly to your hunting specification,
but first you have to figure out your own hunting specification.
You would never build a rifle without knowing exactly how you're going to use it.
You don't generally use a 2-stage trigger for hunting.
Most AR rifles made for maximum accuracy are competition or prairie dog guns.
Match rifles are accurate, but a rifle set up for competition may not hunt well,
don't forget you need to carry that sucker all day and get it through thick brush.
3 pound trigger is at the light end of the scale for field use on running game,
that's generally a target or varmint pull.
If you decide to hunt running game with a 3 pound trigger,
be sure to practice outstanding trigger discipline.
I generally hunt with a 5 pound trigger, or 7 pound at the high end.
Rifle accuracy (all types of rifle) is generally found in the barrel, especially free float. AR no different.
Battle carbines can be used to hunt, but those are better as a defense weapon.
Most AR have a muzzle device, which you probably don't need for hunting.
Flat top receiver gives you more opportunities to mount optic sights the way you want.
Running game at closer distances, optic power should be fairly low (1 to 4 power at most).
Running game at longer distances, optic power up to 9x is common.
Coyote at long distance, some of those shooters go up to 12 or 14 power maybe.
Remington makes some AR variants set up for the hunt. Go look at them for ideas.
Given your deep experience and skill as a gunsmith, you can probably build a better gun than you can buy.
You already have most of the tools, only a barrel wrench is needed.
If you buy an upper receiver already barreled, you don't even need the barrel wrench.
What kind of rifles have you been building?
Let us know. We're into that stuff just like you.
Pictures would be great !!!
20 years ago before the Internet, hogs were dumb.
They got killed by 223 Rem and other small bore, and even archery.
Today they are smarter, because they read the internet.
They discovered that they are tough and armor plated.
So today it generally takes a large bore magnum to take them down.
No one ever should have showed them hogs how to log on to the web.
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