GuyWithQuestions
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I was in a discussion with one of my roommates this evening and he was quite against firearms, especially concealed firearm permits, unless they're used for sport.
I said that I'm not just for LE and the military carrying firearms in public, but also responsible law abiding civilians. I told my roommate that whenever you hear about firearm murders or shootings on the news, it's interesting that the perpetrator never has a concealed firearms permit. The perpetrator usually has a criminal background record that led up to the shooting. In the Amish school shooting, the news said he had things in his past he got in trouble for. If not a background the perpetrator was in a situation he legally shouldn't have had the gun in the first place in that situation. In the Virginia Tech incident, Cho legally bought a firearm, but brought it onto a campus where firearms were illegal. Since those who commit the shootings don't have permits and are going to bring guns into areas where they can't legally anyway, why not let those who pass background checks and training at least protect themselves? Why not make "shall issue" the policy if someone is willing to have basic training and a background check? I also pointed out how those with permits are less likely to be convicted of a felony than the general public. They go through background checks and are the ones willing to do things legally in the first place.
My roommate's response to all this was "How do you know that Cho didn't have a concealed weapons permit?" You don't know that for sure! My roommate also said he doesn't agree that those with permits are less likely to be convicted of felonies than the average citizen. I used gunfacts.info as a source. He said "of course gunlovers.com will support that point" and that he wants real sources from me.
Does anyone have have any statistics on how many of those involved in illegal shootings have permits and how many don't? Anyone know how many of them have previous criminal background problems? Does anyone know of good solid research on whether those with concealed permits are less likely to be convicted of a felony in the future?
I said that I'm not just for LE and the military carrying firearms in public, but also responsible law abiding civilians. I told my roommate that whenever you hear about firearm murders or shootings on the news, it's interesting that the perpetrator never has a concealed firearms permit. The perpetrator usually has a criminal background record that led up to the shooting. In the Amish school shooting, the news said he had things in his past he got in trouble for. If not a background the perpetrator was in a situation he legally shouldn't have had the gun in the first place in that situation. In the Virginia Tech incident, Cho legally bought a firearm, but brought it onto a campus where firearms were illegal. Since those who commit the shootings don't have permits and are going to bring guns into areas where they can't legally anyway, why not let those who pass background checks and training at least protect themselves? Why not make "shall issue" the policy if someone is willing to have basic training and a background check? I also pointed out how those with permits are less likely to be convicted of a felony than the general public. They go through background checks and are the ones willing to do things legally in the first place.
My roommate's response to all this was "How do you know that Cho didn't have a concealed weapons permit?" You don't know that for sure! My roommate also said he doesn't agree that those with permits are less likely to be convicted of felonies than the average citizen. I used gunfacts.info as a source. He said "of course gunlovers.com will support that point" and that he wants real sources from me.
Does anyone have have any statistics on how many of those involved in illegal shootings have permits and how many don't? Anyone know how many of them have previous criminal background problems? Does anyone know of good solid research on whether those with concealed permits are less likely to be convicted of a felony in the future?