Are we gun owners just all talk? I'm really curious.

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I hear all this "NOBODY WILL EVER TAKE MY GUNS, UNLESS IT'S AMMO FIRST!!!"
If there was a ban and collection.. .seriously.... it's happened. Are there any accounts of any groups rising up and defending their right at the risk of death?
It's all good to feel this way, but do people actually follow through with their feelings, or are they just strong words and good intentions>
 
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I think the better question is are we gun owners able to vote the leaders that will protect our rights before we have to start shooting, if it is time to start shooting back we have already lost.
 
All talk? NO WAY!!! Sure, maybe 98%, but NOT 100%, never!!!

I don't see a one-man stand amounting to much in fire-fight with authorities. Would it be more enlightening to have a poll that shows how many of us are part of a militia or similar organization that regularly trains?
 
I'd say most are just talk...most have families and probably wouldn't do anything...

It's the single, young guys with no children or wives who would probably form militias and riot. Like myself.

Or it will be an older guy leading young men. One or the other.
 
Throughout history, there have been plenty of instances of lots of talk and little action. Even when our own revolution was going on, there were plenty of rich "Loyalists" who were quite concerned about losing their fortunes of wealth. Back then, the average man would have had a shack, a few acres of land, a horse, and little else. They had more to gain then lose by fighting. Look at all the material things we have today that could possibly be lost.

People who have little to lose have everything to fight for. People are very resistant to making waves if it means losing their home/car/job/money. If you have none of those things, you are much more likely to want to stir up "trouble".

If you ask me, much of the terrorism/violence going on in the Middle East would be stopped if these guys had a regular job, a house payment, a car payment, and a wife telling them to calm down.
Kind of a sad statement, but true.
 
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I've never heard any of my gun-totin' friends say those words.

I don't have any plans to shoot at anyone wearing a uniform of the United States.

Neither do I have plans to disclose the locations of all of my firearms...
 
I think that Katrina showed us that very few people are willing to stand up to overwhelming odds to protect their gun rights.

I think that if anything happened it would probably start W/ gangbangers going to war W/ the cops, or protesters shooting back at the cops.

As far as some national revolution I don't see it happening the country is too big. I think its far more likely that the country will continue its drift to the left & in a generation or so our kids will turn in our guns.
 
Fburgtx makes an excellent point on economic prosperity as a factor.

"Economic Earthquake" by Larry Burkette is an interesting read. At the personal level his survival recommendations include:
-- get out and stay out of debt
-- do not live in the city b/c that's where the predators will be and it will be harder to defend you and your family
-- have a plan for managing without most luxuries like utilities, grocery stores, and currency (at least for a few months)
-- maintain an eternal perspective while all that is temporal deteriorates
 
I'm not stupid or suicidal. A one-man armed stand against the authorities can only end one way and that accomplishes nothing useful. Civil disobedience is another thing entirely, however. "Guns? What guns?"
 
I've certainly never taken the stance that I would defend my home with deadly force against American authorities in the event of legal gun confiscation. That being said, they have to find them, and then they have to take away my knowledge of how to make them.

Guns will always be available. The British can't keep them out of the hands of street gangs, and the KGB and Soviet Police couldn't keep them out of the hands of gangsters in Moscow. They will always be available to those who know where to find them. If I need one and the government has confiscated the legal ones I will find or make what I'm looking for.

In Afghanistan under Soviet rule back street machine shops were turning out AK47s at a rate of about five per shop per day to supply the resistance. I'm sure something similar will take place in this country. No need to get yourself shot or jailed early on over something that can be easily replaced.

That being said, I also do my part to educate others. I write actual letters to my elected representatives, and I vote. I am also in the unique position of having friends in the right places in politics, so I have access to many politicians, both local and national. I am voting against the Democrats this year primarily over this issue, but also over general policy. The Republicans haven't done the most spiffy-keen job of protecting our rights lately, but they are the only serious strategy for keeping the Dems out of the White House.
 
It's better to work as hard as you can to avoid war.

No matter how hard it seems to fight for your rights, to write your congresscritters, to elect better ones, to get more people into shooting, to raise your kids right, to talk to your neighbors, to show up at rallies, to donate, to do whatever it is you determine will further the cause of liberty...

It's easier than a shooting war would be. And the outcome more certain.

It's fun to beat your chest and talk about my cold, dead hands, and then pop a cold one and go back to watching the TV. Lots easier than getting off of the sofa and writing a couple of letters to your representatives, ain't it?

I said this in another thread, and it bears repeating here:

To be saving up ammunition and then not working hard to avoid having to use it is fatalistic at best, and maybe kind of sick.
 
If we refuse to band together and refuse to vote,at some point gun confiscation will take place.Then the Government comes for those guns and you refuse to allow them in you will be arrested or killed.Period.It just seems easier to all join the NRA and vote instead of preparing to die or be helpless.
 
Let's see, there are about 80 million gun owners in the ole' U.S. of A. If gun ownership became ill-eagle, I figure about the same amount of people that are active in any given club or organization (20-25%) would instantly become criminals if you know what I mean.

Now, how many years of looking and searching digging would it take to make these people and their descendent's, honest citizens?

I don't think there would be a lot of people taking up arms against the go-ment.

Keep one thing in mind though, the argument that the Second Amendment is there to protect against a corrupt go-ment is very often used as one of the main reasons for us to own em'. It may not be a great idea to even state that we will do nothing about it. That kind of defeats a purpose.
 
Given where we are politically in the U.S., I think you're focusing on the wrong manner of resistance.


I don't see this thread going anywhere good. I'm half tempted to close it right now.
 
WayneConrad said:
It's better to work as hard as you can to avoid war.
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+1.
I don't think you're gonna see much more than talk until/unless the bigbadgooberment actually engages in serious gun confiscation. Until then, it's $$ to the NRA, GOA, and other organizations, trying to vote for good representatives, and talk talk talk.
Yeah, there's Ruby Ridge & Waco, but I don't think those few incidents are enough ... they're really abherrations. Nasty ones, but I don't see the government actually actively going around on methodical nationwide gungrabs to the extent we need to go bananas. Yea, New Orleans, another one -- being handled through the courts; again, no reason to go bananas.
Now, IF the gooberment actually DOES start, well, you know ... we'll know who's whistling Dixie then and so forth ... but I see little point in speculating more on this site where no doubt the BATF, FBI, Homeland Security, and other alphabet agencies are monitoring .... wait, I didn't mean to insinuate the government would actually do anything evil!
Really . . . . .
 
I'm half tempted to close it right now.
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I'm completely tempted.

If people spent half the effort on actual activism that they spend on playing day dream revolutionary, we wouldn't even need to worry about these sorts of things.
 
Typically people post in these threads wondering if the time should come, if anyone is going to have their back, if they have any hope of attaining some goals, and if the sacrifice they are contemplating would have any meaning.

The true warrior understands that he is already dead, the only question remaining is the time, place and manner.

That person has reconciled himself to a lonely, painful, and pointless death, whose meaning is apparent only to him, and it is upon him, and him alone, to choose that time, place and manner.

I imagine that the number of such men in our ranks is greater than zero, and let that be the end of this thread.
 
Work instead of talk is what's needed to keep your rights.
If you won't get off the couch to do a little work now, you won't when it is dangerous to do anything about it.
 
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