Arizona strikes back: State investigates feds over gun-running

[Neverwinter]

I've got to agree here.

The plan as we know it would have never accomplished the goals that were attributed to it. However, it would have greatly increased the percentage of guns recovered from Mexican crime scenes that could be traced back to legal purchases in the US.

Wasn't there something in the news a few years back about misstating the numbers re: Mexican crime guns? It seems to me that Fast and Furious was designed to up those numbers to make domestic anti-gun legislation more palatable.

At the cost of Mexican lives, of course.

I believe wikileaks showed an acknowledgement that much more came from South America than the US.

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[JFrame]

To this day, Richard Gere has never denied inserting a gerbil into his rectum.

Isn't that a convenient excuse.

Meh...The "Obama-doesn't-have-to-defend-himself-because-you-won't-believe-him-anyway" line has been used repeatedly as a rationale by his defenders.

It's weak, but hey -- whatever floats your boat...

Why does the uncorroborated word of the Brady bunch count as a merit?

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Because the Obama administration won't deny it (see above).


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[PowerG]

Well perhaps no more of a monolith of veracity than Sarah Brady, but HuffPo seems to believe the Obama administration isn't above some executive action on guns:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/obama-gun-laws-congress_n_836138.html

I have little doubt that the quote is accurate. We are after all talking about a politician talking to a supporter with some degree of influence. That's what they do, make promises. Of course he said it.

 

[armoredman]

jd, *groan*
publius, thanks, that was a riot, and depressing at the same time.
The Yahoo story would have us belive it was over Gov Brewers' book, "Scorpions for Breakfast", which I have not read.
I can assure you, if a federal agent, or any other LEO charged with a crime in AZ is arrested he will be handled like any other criminal. How do I know? Well, I've met more than one former police officer wearing orange, and not all of them are locals. If the investigation turns up indictments, they will be pursued. Perhaps we can hold them in Maricopa County Jail, where they can meet the men and women they made fun of in that famous e-mail. Think Sheriff Arpaio, or Sheriff Babeu of Pinal County would just "give 'em up" to an alphabet soup agency because they said "or else"? Not likely.

 

[jerkface11]

I can assure you, if a federal agent, or any other LEO charged with a crime in AZ is arrested he will be handled like any other criminal.

As someone else said Lon Hirochi.

 

[Neverwinter]

Meh...The "Obama-doesn't-have-to-defend-himself-because-you-won't-believe-him-anyway" line has been used repeatedly as a rationale by his defenders.

It's weak, but hey -- whatever floats your boat...

History does repeat itself, and he hasn't had good results in responding to people with irrational motivations for accusations by providing the contradicting physical evidence. That he isn't pandering to people who have consistently displayed an unwillingness to accept evidence when provided is not a vindication of a claim, it merely reflects less patience than some others.

Word has it that Richard Gere is back in the hospital. Nothing serious, just had a mole removed..

Where is your denial, Mr. Gere? I won't be satisfied until you supply the long form medical chart.

 

[JFrame]

History does repeat itself, and he hasn't had good results in responding to people with irrational motivations for accusations by providing the contradicting physical evidence. That he isn't pandering to people who have consistently displayed an unwillingness to accept evidence when provided is not a vindication of a claim, it merely reflects less patience than some others.

Where is your denial, Mr. Gere? I won't be satisfied until you supply the long form medical chart.

So you see a direct correlation between Obama's alleged endorsement of gun control, and something about Richard Gere and a rodent?

Interesting...

Again -- whatever floats your boat...



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[Neverwinter]

So you see a direct correlation between Obama's alleged endorsement of gun control, and something about Richard Gere and a rodent?

Interesting...

Again -- whatever floats your boat...



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I'll explain it explicitly, for the people who are incapable of recognizing analogies.

These are two cases of accusations being provided by an untrustworthy source(ie. Brady and an unnamed person supposedly with access to medical info). In both cases, responding to the already incredulous source won't influence the people who've already decided that they want to believe in it despite the lack of credibility to the claim.

 

[JFrame]

I'll explain it explicitly, for the people who are incapable of recognizing analogies.

These are two cases of accusations being provided by an untrustworthy source(ie. Brady and an unnamed person supposedly with access to medical info). In both cases, responding to the already incredulous source won't influence the people who've already decided that they want to believe in it despite the lack of credibility to the claim.

I notice you have the tendency of repeating an argument over and over, as if you'll sway others by sheer repetition.

Your strategy is evidently a catastrophic failure...


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[Neverwinter]

I notice you have the tendency of repeating an argument over and over, as if you'll sway others by sheer repetition.

Your strategy is evidently a catastrophic failure...


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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. You apparently can't make it stop denying the water exists, either. Not to mention having to explain what water is to the horse.

Not a failure on my part for providing the water, or it the horse dies of thirst. As to the explanation for why Obama found it pointless to address people who wouldn't listen to evidence: QED.

 

[JFrame]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. You apparently can't make it stop denying the water exists, either.

Not a failure on my part for providing the water.

Wow -- I haven't heard you say that since the last time you said that to someone else...


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