Arsenal or Extended Collection

[WALKERs210]

ARSENAL or Collection.. Was listening to a news station about someone that had been arrested for some crime and after a search of the persons home it was found to house a small arsenal. At what point does a collection of various firearms go to being a deadly arsenal hell bent on destruction. Myself I have what I conceded a small but very nice collection of firearms from flintlock pistols to an AR15 and even an evil AK 47. I also have a supply of ammunition that is not in the thousands but enough to keep from running to a store anytime I want to go out back and shoot a few rounds. One of my neighbors asked me one day Just How Many Guns Do You Own. I completely ignored her question as if she had never said a word. But with the Main Stream Media being what it is at what point to I go from being an old man that has built over the years a collection to being a vigilante wanting to over throw our government.

 

[steveno]

I think 1 or more guns would qualify as an arsenal in today's climate

 

[Mike1234567]

It just depends on how "sensationalized" the reporter and/or their editor wants to make the story. News isn't news anymore, is it?

 

[ngnrd]

From merriam-webster.com:

ar·se·nal noun \ˈärs-nəl, ˈär-sə-\

: a collection of weapons

: a place where weapons are made or stored

So, since an arsenal IS a collection of weapons, the only difference is in connotation. Using the word 'arsenal' instead of 'collection' in a news report tells me that the reporter/news outlet is trying to paint the story's subject as a bad guy, regardless of the truth.

 

[Mike1234567]

Yes, it's the choice of verbiage. English is a live language and, currently in USA English, "arsenal" sounds far more menacing than "collection". Just as "foolhardy" sounds like a stupid act vs. "brave" which sounds like a valiant act... but they mean the same thing. It's still sensationalistic reporting.

 

[Midwest]

Every time I hear about an arsenal in the media, I can't help thinking that there was a proposal years ago (under "Brady II") for an "Arsenal License". The official name of the bill was called "Gun Violence Prevention Act of 1994".

The absurd "Arsenal License" was actually numbered HR 3932 (section 204). It was cosponsored by Senators Kennedy, Bradley, Lautenberg, Boxer, Pell, and Chafee and it was introduced by Senator Charles Schumer of NY on Feb 28 1994. No, it DID NOT pass, but if it did here were the highlights .

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/103/hr3932/text

http://www.volokh.com/posts/1190402417.shtml


"Arsenal licensing

Any person who owns 20 or more firearms or more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition or primers (e.g. two "bricks" of rimfire ammo) would be required to get an "arsenal" license. To obtain a federal arsenal license, a person would need to be fingerprinted, obtain permission of local zoning authorities, and pay a $300 tax every three years. Her home would be subjected to unannounced, warrantless inspection by the government up to three times a year. "Arsenal" owners would also have to obtain a $100,000 dollar insurance policy.

"Brady II" redefines "firearm" to include magazines and "any part of the action" (such as pins, springs, or screws). Thus, if a person has two Colt pistols, three Remington rifles, and four magazines (of any size) for each gun, then he own an "arsenal." Or if he owned two guns, six magazines, and a box of disassembled gun parts that contained five springs, five pins, and five screws, then he would own 23 "firearms" and would have to obtain an "arsenal" license."

Again, the proposal did not pass but who is to say that they won't try to introduce it again in the future? I am posting this because we must always be aware of what they are capable of , having already tried it once in 1994. If anyone knows someone who works in the media, ask them where they get their 'firearm talking points' from.

 

[Tejicano Loco]

"Brady II" redefines "firearm" to include magazines and "any part of the action" (such as pins, springs, or screws).

Ha! By that definition I would have several hundred "firearms". With all the parts kits and cast off parts from earlier builds I have done, and boxes of magazines, well, I honestly couldn't even estimate the quantity give or take a couple hundred parts and magazines.

To me an arsenal has significant quantities of the same model - just imagine what you would find in the arms storage room for a Marine Battalion or any Army post. What I have is a collection - maybe a half dozen non-identical versions of the same basic rifle (7 FAL's, 5 AR's, etc.) but many more firearms which are the single example of that model.

 

[Twiki357]

Wow… Based on that Brady definition, just my S&W revolvers would make them go poo-poo in the street.

 

[medalguy]

"Extended collection".....yeah, that has a nice sound to it. Nothing dangerous or patriotic here, keep moving.

 

[tarosean]

Ha! By that definition I would have several hundred "firearms". With all the parts kits and cast off parts from earlier builds I have done, and boxes of magazines, well, I honestly couldn't even estimate the quantity give or take a couple hundred parts and magazines.

That would be a weapons cashe...

 

[ElToro]

i'm in trouble then...

 

[AlexanderA]

An "arsenal" is the gun "collection" of anyone who has drawn the adverse attention of the press. The lesson here is not to draw the adverse attention of the press.

 

[bigfatdave]

An "arsenal" is the gun "collection" of anyone who has drawn the adverse attention of the press.

Agreed.

Personally, I have an "extensive armory" and "enough ammo to ignore a couple years of ammo scarcity".

Ignore sensationalist journalists. Or use these examples of clueless, slanted reporting and remember that they're just as clueless and biased on everything they report on, not just arms.

 

[F-111 John]

One man's extended collection is another government's arsenal

 

[Walkalong]

At what point does a collection of various firearms go to being a deadly arsenal hell bent on destruction.

When the media reports it. Until then it is just an innocent collection of firearms you like to shoot. Very frustrating times we live in.

 

[bannockburn]

And to think, back during WW II the U.S. was THE "Arsenal of Democracy".

 

[steelerdude99]

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Any person who owns 20 or more firearms or more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition or primers (e.g. two "bricks" of rimfire ammo) would be required to get an "arsenal" license. To obtain a federal arsenal license, a person would need to be fingerprinted, obtain permission of local zoning authorities, and pay a $300 tax every three years. Her home would be subjected to unannounced, warrantless inspection by the government up to three times a year. "Arsenal" owners would also have to obtain a $100,000 dollar insurance policy.

"Brady II" redefines "firearm" to include magazines and "any part of the action" (such as pins, springs, or screws). Thus, if a person has two Colt pistols, three Remington rifles, and four magazines (of any size) for each gun, then he own an "arsenal." Or if he owned two guns, six magazines, and a box of disassembled gun parts that contained five springs, five pins, and five screws, then he would own 23 "firearms" and would have to obtain an "arsenal" license."[/I]
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What a completely crooked piece of legislation. Those who introduced the bill seem to be using a selling point of ridding their neighborhoods of armies of "gun nuts". Underneath, it’s an attempt to get rid of all guns by a crooked counting method and giving up their 4th Amendment rights. Separating the magazine and calling it a firearm is terrible enough, but calling "screws, springs and pins a firearm?" "Better be safe and just not have any" is what they want the public to think.

There is even an attempted end-around state firearm preemption laws by subjecting gun owners to local zoning and inspections.

chuck

 

[WALKERs210]

"Extended collection".....yeah

That sounded a lot better than extensive collection, also now that my wife is really into shooting and collecting herself I don't have to hide some until I can just blend them into the fold. My ex-son-in law's dad had so many weapons he converted a bedroom into a walk in safe. He was a retired LEO and between him and me our grandson had a large collection before he was even 12yrs old. I grew up in a town that was so small it had the WELCOME TO AND COME BACK sign on same post, anyone that didn't own a gun of some type was the odd one out. Guess that is what surprises me about a few women in this township that have never fired off anything other than their mouth. Last year I put a slidefire stock on my AR just because I took it in trade. Test fired it and within a period of two days everyone in a 10 mile radius thought I had a full auto machine gun.

 

[Speedo66]

The media or politicians can put a slant on anything, that's what they do for a living.

It's gotten to the point where every time I hear the word "sensible" I cringe, because I know whatever is coming next will be anything but.

So, more than one gun is an arsenal, more than one box of ammo is a cache. Is everybody straight on that now? "Common sense" gun laws will eliminate both of those problems.

 

[Ryanxia]

Again, the proposal did not pass but who is to say that they won't try to introduce it again in the future?

If I'm not mistaken they tried to pass an 'arsenal law' on this latest round of gun control back in the spring around the same time as the attempt at banning AR-15's again. So yes it could certainly be introduced again which is why we must be ever vigilant.

 

[ATLDave]

"It's gotten to the point where every time I hear the word "sensible" I cringe, because I know whatever is coming next will be anything but. "

I find that the term "common sense" usually means "don't make me show my work." When someone cannot logically explain, step by step, how their proposal would impact real-world scenarios, they often just say "it's common sense!"

 

[Carl N. Brown]

To me, an arsenal would be a dozen or more identical guns of the same make, model and caliber. Not one Mauser and one Luger from each of the main factories, that is a purposed collection. An arsenal would be several identical AKs, FN FiveseveHs, etc amassed for use as weapons.

To an anti-gun nut, the gunrack in my wife's room would be an arsenal: a .177 pellet gun, a tennisball cannon, a movie prop Sten non-gun, a slingshot and a majorette baton with flag.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

"Commonsense gun control" = "I have no idea how this legislation is supposed to impact bad behavior by criminal, reckless or crazy people, and I cannot explain what it is supposed to do, but it's against guns so that's good enough. It's doing something, and that's all that counts."

 

[CB900F]

Fella's;

The word to review is "semantics": the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning. There are a number of branches and subbranches of semantics, including formal semantics, which studies the logical aspects of meaning, such as sense, reference, implication, and logical form, lexical semantics, which studies word meanings and word relations, and conceptual semantics, which studies the cognitive structure of meaning.

What the media almost always does is choose words whose semantic content slants to the political/emotional viewpoint they want the viewer/reader to adopt. The arsenal/collection being an excellent example. The late S. I. Hayakawa was perhaps the seminal semanticist in our culture as well as having been a U.S. senator. Reading his "Language In Thought And Action" will give the reader a very good grounding in the subject, and provide an excellent base from which to recognize semantic manipulation.

900F

 

[P5 Guy]

Someday I'm going to take my arsenal out and take a photo of the arsenal and ammo I have just to send to the local news paper.

<SARCASM>