Assault rifles offer a bit too much for home defense

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Assault rifles offer a bit too much for home defense


February 14, 2003

As store shelves throughout the city are emptied of duct tape and plastic sheeting by people concerned about terrorist attacks, other folks think the best defense is a good offense.

Don Davis said gun sales at his Westside store have doubled since the latest terrorism alert. He said the $599 AK-47 is a top seller.

Davis became locally famous a few years ago with endlessly repeated TV commercials in which he cocked a finger at the camera and cackled, "Folks, I don't want to make money -- I just love to sell guns."

It turns out that terrorism sells.

"For me, when times are bad, business is good," Davis said Thursday.

He was at a trade show in Florida this week, shopping for gas masks for customers suddenly nervous about chemical or biological attacks.

At his Don's Guns, manager Ben Chance let me test-fire the AK-47 and a $999 Bushmaster, similar to the military M-16, in the store's indoor range.

The Bushmaster delivers a high-velocity round very accurately with little kick. The AK-47 will give you a jolt, but with that kick you get a larger round capable, they say, of going through a car's engine block.

Just what you need to stop terrorists invading your subdivision.

Of course, some people might end up with guns simply for home protection. And if that's the case, Chance says, an old-fashioned shotgun might do the trick.

"A 12-gauge is a nice gun to have in the house. You don't have to aim the gun. You just point it in the general vicinity, and you're actually going to hit what you're pointing toward, because (the shot) scatters."

Business also was up at 500 Guns on the Westside and at Pop Guns Trading Post on the Eastside. But managers at those stores said that had more to do with the arrival of income tax refund checks than Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein.

"There have been a few people come in and express concern," said Mike Hilton, the manager at Pop Guns. "But overall, people tend to be pretty complacent about it, to be honest."

Hilton said he recommends that someone who wants a gun take a training course. Then, once he has an idea of their skill level, he'll suggest a firearm -- often a small revolver.

He's not big on the AK-47 in this case. If used for self-defense, it's likely to "overpenetrate" -- go right through the attacker, through the wall of your home, through the wall of the next house and into somebody there.

Guy Montgomery, manager of 500 Guns, also recommends a revolver -- not a battlefield rifle -- for home defense.

Still, there's a magnetism about the assault weapons. Firing one of these guns is the shooting equivalent of twisting the throttle on a squat Harley -- lots of noise and simple, raw power.

They're fun, but they may not be real practical.

So if you're convinced al-Qaida is down the street and you want to establish a defensive perimeter in the front hallway, do the neighbors a favor.

Just borrow dad's old shotgun.

http://www.indystar.com/print/articles/5/022456-5255-009.html
 
Shotgun pattern

"A 12-gauge is a nice gun to have in the house. You don't have to aim the gun. You just point it in the general vicinity, and you're actually going to hit what you're pointing toward, because (the shot) scatters."

I'm not sure I agree with this opinion at "inside the house" distances of 20 feet or so. I have seen lots of shotguns fired at paper targets at 20 feet, and the shot pattern is still pretty tight at that range, maybe the size of my fist. I don't think the pattern starts to open much until you get out to 50 feet or more. So you can easily miss with a shotgun at close range.
 
Lotta good that shotgun is gonna be when al qaeda decides to use hamas' trick of car bombing, or when the little bastards figure out that they'll need atleast a little bit of armor to get the most damage from their attack.

On the other hand -- scatter guns are quite practical for hunting and protection from anamals...

hmm... guess i'll have to take both! :D

lapidator
 
I was at a gun show this weekend in Little Rock, AR. VERY BUSY place-it was packed! A good deal of business was going on, but the sellers of ammo and reloading supplies were REALLY doing good business-had long waiting lines!!
 
Don't have to aim a shotgun?!?! Short Russian going through an engine block?!?! Who are these #@^%$ GSCs?

To my fellow THRers, please do not associate "Don's Guns" with the rest of gun dealers in Indiana. Some of them know what they are talking about.

Please? Aw, come on, stop laughing. Please, I beg you. I'll be your best friend. Please?
 
Last time I didn't have to aim a shotgun was in Doom. My Benelli is aimed like a rifle within several yards.
 
I concur, Don's Guns is apparently a haven for GSCs who are completely misinformed.
 
Inaccuracies from the GSC types the reporter interviewed notwithstanding, I find this article/editorial quite refreshing. Is that actually a newspaper suggesting that people get a shotgun or pistol for home defense? Wow.:cool:
 
Hey I've shot through an Engine block with an AK47

It's pretty easy actually. You want to use FMJ though. And It does depend on the engine block. I wouldn't expect much penetration from older vehicles but smaller or modern vehicles don't pose much of a problem at all. I Speak form experience.

What is really impressive at stopping bullets to me is Bed Liners. The hard plastic type are way more resistant to bullets than I thought. -bevr
 
Chaim - if that were the case, you'd have a point. This sounds more like ignorant reporter combined with GSCs trying to minimize firearms purchases, or some such. In other words the blind trying to manipulate the blind.
 
chaim, just typical Hoosier goofiness. The papers will often run pro-carry, what type of gun to carry articles, but they balance it with silly stuff from Don.

It just mystifies me that they have some sort of hotline to him. Television and papers quote him as some sort of expert on weaponry or constitutional law--it's embarrassing to say the least. And then he gets all the free publicity with that 100K judgment against the po-po. Ahhhh, someone buy him out and change the name, please!
 
Don is an idiot, and it seems like he's hiring within the family.
Actually, it's more likely that he's breeding within the family.

Don is a total idiot, as are the people who work in his stores. Additionally, everything there is overpriced by at least $30.
Back when I was in college, a room mate of mine bought a Ruger P89 at a different shop. One day we went into Don's Guns just to browse around, and noticed that the P89's there were at least $50 higher than elsewhere. When the GSC behind the counter was asked about this the reply was 'that particular model is the most popular around here.'

Interestingly enough, I've heard from several other people that 'that particular model is the most popular around here' regardless of which one you inquire about.

Don is a shyster and his staff are all incompetent boobs.
 
I was in Don's once. Prices were sky high.

Never found out how little they knew about guns b/c I knew very little then also.
 
Yep, Don or any of his store staff would be the last people in the world I would want to teach me about gun handling. When I was still going to his range on the north side (no closed) it felt dangerous just walking into the place.
 
Don was also the only gun dealer I have ever heard of that supported the Assault Weapon Ban :fire: :banghead: :fire:
I won't buy so much as a box of .22s there.
 
I see he's also big on recommending l'il ol' J-frames to novices. Probably Scandium ones, too; since they're lighter, they must be easier to shoot & carry... :rolleyes:
 
Tamara - not sure where you got that impression from...

"There have been a few people come in and express concern," said Mike Hilton, the manager at Pop Guns. "But overall, people tend to be pretty complacent about it, to be honest."

Hilton said he recommends that someone who wants a gun take a training course. Then, once he has an idea of their skill level, he'll suggest a firearm -- often a small revolver.

He's not big on the AK-47 in this case. If used for self-defense, it's likely to "overpenetrate" -- go right through the attacker, through the wall of your home, through the wall of the next house and into somebody there.

Guy Montgomery, manager of 500 Guns, also recommends a revolver -- not a battlefield rifle -- for home defense.

Sounds like advice I've often heard on this forum and thefiringline, ie. what gun should I get? What do you want it for? What can you handle? What experience do you have? etc...

Mike is a good honest guy and I've yet to be oversold on an gun at his store.
 
IME/O, the guys at Pop's Guns squared away and know their stuff. Opinions as to magic swords will vary, just like here.;) However, the guys at Pop's Guns are all pro-education and will encourage, not sneer (as some other places on the west side of Indy [wonder who?]), at training.
 
El Tejon-

I only went into Pop Guns once, waaaay back when I was shopping for my first rifle.
I didn't buy anything, but the guys there seemed generally helpful and didn't reek of the GSC 'tude.
 
Ole Don... I had hoped he had gone bankrupt when he closed the north store. No such luck. :mad:

I've run into a number of newbies with their $900 Beretta 92..... :what:

He supported Brady and supports closing down gun shows (they cut into his business and 300+% markup) and he supported the changes in FFL rules that caused a number of us to quit the gunsmith business.

I even quit shopping a Ford dealer in the next town when they started using Don in his late nite TV ads.

:fire:
 
Assault rifles offer a bit too much for home defense

[WalterBrennanAccent]I reckon that depends on what yer defendin' it from now don't it?[/WalterBrennanAccent]
 
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