assault weapon ban a total scam

[armed hiker]

Okay so most of us are not looking forward to a new AWB, some are on the fence. No one wants guns used to kill anyone let alone children and all the storys about how dangerous they are makes you think..... or at least it should.

I read a net article somewhere about how few assault weapons are used in homicides something like 5%. 5%......... really

So before I spread more internet lies I decided to look into it myself here.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20

This was just 2011, so I looked back a few years.
Wow

All Rifles, not just "assault weapons"
killed less people than
fist fights,
less than shotguns
knives and
especially handguns.

I know the gun grabbers claim to be able to read, It begs the question why go after the least likely murder weapon? To the bird hunters out there your shotgun kills more than assault rifles. the knife owner, sorry you too are worse than the scary rifles.

 

[KevininPa]

It's about disarming.........

.......the American Public. Original reports from Sandy Hook stated that the firearms used were handguns and the AR15 was in the trunk. That got pooh-poohed away and buried quickly. Then the reports magically changed. BTW, whatever happened to the guy in black top, camo pants and cuffs. Funny how he disappearred?

 

[Grassman]

Stunning, California with one of the toughest gun control policies still has highest murder rate. It's not even close.

 

[Tommygunn]

During the debates preceeding the 1994 AWB the FBI released a statistic resulting from a study that said "assault rifles/weapons" were used in one hald of one per cent of crimes involving guns.
It didn't make any difference to the banners.
Don't expect facts or logic to work.

 

[armed hiker]

I just sent a copy to my two senators asking Why?

I have been doing a little research on this topic and would love to point you in the direction of some Facts

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20

If you look at our own FBI statistics from past years ( link is just 2011) you will see that the homicides with rifles (that would include assault weapons) is the lowest for of weapon used. This means you are safer from so called assault weapons than handguns,shotguns,knives or even fists.

Please explain to me how it is we are discussing banning the statistically safest form of weapons?

 

[beatledog7]

Please explain to me how it is we are discussing banning the statistically safest form of weapons?

They're simply going after the kinds of guns that the uninformed public finds most scary and easiest to ban because of public support for banning the scary guns. But it's just a stepping stone to a total ban on all guns.

 

[CJW]

Hi folks. I'm a long-time lurker and former member of THR, and thought I'd jump back in the game and rejoin the community. After reading so much about a potential new AWB, my thoughts are as follows.
I have a few such rifles that would probably fall under potential new restrictions. They are among my least used firearms. I hate the thought of a new ban, and would fight it tooth and nail, but when it comes to practical self-defense it seems to me a shotgun (for the house) and a small revolver (for carry) are the most practical. I don't know what all these folks are going to be doing with their newly acquired AR's and AK's during this panic buying spree. Shops around here still have racks of shotguns and pistols that everyone seems to be ignoring, but to my mind, these are the most practical for real-life self defense. I can't imagine under what circumstances I would use an AR other than shooting groundhogs (which is what 5.56 seems most suited for anyway). I have one just because I like it and it's my constitutional right to own it. But "panic buying" seems to imply stocking up on what you will use in a practical sense. As for me, I'd buy another shotgun and CCW pistol (although I have plenty!) It just seems odd to me. You can not CCW an AR-15, and there are better options for home defense I think. So panic buying an AR is like going to the grocery store to "panic buy" food and coming home with 20 lbs. of pepper. Sure you can use it, but it's not a staple. The only argument I could see is just buying it as an investment in case the price doubles under a new AWB, but even then, you might be better off buying precious metals. Just my .02

 

[Onmilo]

Right now Anti Gun Movement wants limits of ten shots on "Clips"
What happens net time a mentally ill person kills several people with a ten shot weapon?
Should we then limit magazine capacity to but two shots?

This is a classic Slippery Slope Scenario.

 

[skeeziks]

Look how much damage Hinkly did with a puny little .22 LR Six-shooter. And with the secret service right there to protect....

 

[kwguy]

People could just be buying them because they feel that the government will take away some of their liberty and stop them from buying one later. There doesn't need to be any practical self defense reason at all. What weapon to use for self defense is a matter of scale anyway. If the agressors have rifles, and attack you outside your home from 100 meters away, a pistol or shotgun is not that good (just a quick "what if" there). Anyway, the same could be said for 500 HP cars. Not very practical, but if a ban was possible, people would buy more of them.

 

[ngnrd]

Your rush to the store to "panic buy" food, but only coming home with 20 pounds of pepper analogy is flawed. It's more like seeing an announcement from the pepper growers association that there will be no more pepper sales, and then rushing to the grocery store and buying 20 pounds of pepper.

 

[ETXhiker]

It is worth repeating: Gun control isn't about guns. It is about control. Hitler, Stalin, Mao. Pelosi, Reid, Obama. Same motive.

 

[kwguy]

Yup. That's what is has always been about: control. That's why the anti's will only push for their "AWB". They want control. Any other solution is not acceptable to them, because it does not fit their agenda. Of course they have been waiting for a tragedy like this to happen. To not believe that is naive. All the pieces have been in place for this push that we are seeing now. To include disinformation and playing off the emotions of the public.

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

In my experience when people go to the store in panic due to an approaching storm they buy toilet paper, bread, and milk, all basic necessities. If the coming storm is going to eliminate the opportunity to possess some basic self-preservation devices then they too are necessities.

 

[CJW]

ngnrd - I see your point, and what you say makes sense. This "panic buy" is probably fueled by the perception that they will be unavailable soon, not because people are thinking about practical needs. I guess I'm just a practical guy in my thinking. I have a Romanian AK, an SKS, Saiga, etc., but my go-to guns are very different. My favorite gun of all is the little 5-shot M&P 340 because it is so darned practical. My enjoyment of the "evil black rifles" has no real purpose or practical reason, other than I just like them

 

[CharlieDeltaJuliet]

CJW, I have a 24" bull barreled AR. It has been shot out to 490 yards. It will shoot farther, but I haven't tested it yet. It is great for coyote, groundhog and just plinking. I shoot thousands of rounds a year at steel and paper. So, know that others have many uses for them. As far as the panic buy, I completly understand people rationalization of it. Some want one just because they think they will be "banned", others to try to make money. I own a few AR's, they each have a different purpose. What is next, will they ban the 50bmg,416,&408 cheytac? As others have said this is a "feel good law" passing the ban will give the ignorant(ones that do not care to understand) the false sense of comfort, until something else on the news replaces their fears and must be banned(like soft drinks larger than 12oz.).

 

[Lucifer_Sam]

Well, yeah, its a scam. They arent even bothering to to try to tie what they're trying to ban in with the murders anymore. I saw some jack*ss on after the NRA statement talking about how bad it was, and how the NRA should have said they wanted to stop online sales, and a bunch of other stuff that couldn't be connected in any way to what happened in CT that he obviously wanted banned. Of course the newscaster wasn't asking any "tough questions" about it, but thats not much of a surprise.

 

[armed hiker]

Twinkies...........
Sales were in the dumps until the company decided to shut down. Then they were flying off of the shelves and being sold on ebay.

I have most of the rifles I want (always room for more) so I am not in a full panic mode, but I know there are plenty out there that are just starting out with their collections. If you are in that position you might panic buy yourself.

Do we need them? as much as we need cars that can exceed the speed limit.
or big houses, pets or in some cases wives... lol

I had a customer at my shop today and he was surprised to find out that we are not talking about full autos. Again it seems we have not done a good enough job educating the public on what these guns really are. Heck even some shooters don't quite understand.

 

[W.E.G.]

 

[velojym]

Bingo. It never was about safety or saving lives. If that were the case, Obamao wouldn't be drone-bombing thousands of innocents overseas, while shedding crocodile tears for the cameras over a domestic event.
It's all about control, and a tyrannical centralized government can't completely control an armed populace.