Basic 1911 From DW/CZ-USA?
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Why not? The DWs that are already out there have a strong reputation. Of course, those really don't matter. The proof would be in the pudding. It all depends on what they put out and how it stacks up against the competition.
I know my Patriot is a real winner.
I know my Patriot is a real winner.
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nico
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I think it'd do well if it (somewhat) followed the idea that Taurus has. Give it a beavertail, commander hammer, long trigger, etc. (front slide serrations are not necessary), allow it to use "normal" 1911 parts, and charge ~GI or Mil Spec prices and it'd do very well IMO. heck, if that gun were on the marked now, I may have bought it instead of my CZ-75.
PCRCCW
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Dan Wesson has the Patriot lineup which is the TOPOTHELINE guns. Proofed accurate like less than 1" @ 25 yds. The make guns with cast frames/forged slides and sell them for less.......
Bottom end competition for the DW/CZ lineup this year will be.........
Thompson Auto Ord. 1911's
Taurus 1911's
Others Ive seen/played with that really really seem well made for the money.
And Im very picky with 1911's.....
Shoot well.
Bottom end competition for the DW/CZ lineup this year will be.........
Thompson Auto Ord. 1911's
Taurus 1911's
Others Ive seen/played with that really really seem well made for the money.
And Im very picky with 1911's.....
Shoot well.
KadicDeshi
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I'm with Nico on this to an extent. I bought the Springer Mil-spec due to its general overall quality, ability to feed anything (at least mine has), and no superfluous doo-dads on top of the reasonable price. I wanted a no-frills gun that I could slap a couple of simple replacement parts (grips and flat mainspring housing) on to get exactly what I wanted.
That said, IMHO, other manufacturers have been missing out on a market niche for economy priced 1911s for quite a while now and only some are just now realizing it. While I don't personally like beavertail safetys, extended slide stops, forward slide serrations and the like, others do and want them on reliable guns for prices that won't break the bank. They don't have to be uber-pretty or uber-tactical, just work.
Just my 2 cents.
Barrett
That said, IMHO, other manufacturers have been missing out on a market niche for economy priced 1911s for quite a while now and only some are just now realizing it. While I don't personally like beavertail safetys, extended slide stops, forward slide serrations and the like, others do and want them on reliable guns for prices that won't break the bank. They don't have to be uber-pretty or uber-tactical, just work.
Just my 2 cents.
Barrett
Mulliga
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Hmm...IMHO if you're buying an economy 1911, you're either going to
1) plink and generally have fun at the range with it
2) use it as a base for cool upgrades
3) defend yourself with it
I'd like to see more of category 3 - lightweight commander and CCO type guns that don't break the bank.
1) plink and generally have fun at the range with it
2) use it as a base for cool upgrades
3) defend yourself with it
I'd like to see more of category 3 - lightweight commander and CCO type guns that don't break the bank.
Grayrider
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It depends on the definition of "economy". If that means they kept it economical by cutting corners, then no. If that means they will offer a basic set of features most 1911 purchasers want (decent sights, beavertail, trigger, controls, etc.) at a relatively low cost WITH good quality, then yes. The target market there would be where Taurus is parking themselves and in a similarly configured pistol. I don't think another "GI" or "mil-spec" type 1911 is needed. Lets face it, when one gets in the price range from $300-$450 there is little to keep a buyer from picking one brand over the other price wise. I don't see how a DW in that range would differ significantly from the SA (at the higher end) or Rock Island (at the lower end).
Of course to me the entire potential for a CZ badged 1911 is that it would have CZ quality and CZ pricing. They need to keep the focus on that and part with anything they inherited from DW that is counter to those two essentials. I won't labor again here the numerous problems with the four DW 1911s I owned. CZ makes guns work right and gives the buyer great value while they are at it.
GR
Of course to me the entire potential for a CZ badged 1911 is that it would have CZ quality and CZ pricing. They need to keep the focus on that and part with anything they inherited from DW that is counter to those two essentials. I won't labor again here the numerous problems with the four DW 1911s I owned. CZ makes guns work right and gives the buyer great value while they are at it.
GR
I'm thinking CZDW needs to stay with a basic model in the 600-650 range. To me, that is bargain range and can compete with the SA Loaded pistols like the 9109's. I think if they go below 500$ they will cut far too many corners & come out LESS competitive due to churning out an inferior product. I'd rather pay 600$ for a good DW than 450$ for a crummy one.
BluesBear
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SInce CZ has already established a reputation in the US of producing high quality guns at affordable prices I think it will be a shame if they take the Dan Wesson name, which has always stived to do the same, and turn it into a high priced line.
I think that will jepordize their credibility.
I think that will jepordize their credibility.
Kamicosmos
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the CZ tagged DW guns I've seen at the stores around here start at $800 and go way up from there.
I'm a bit disappointed about it, but DW needed better distributing, and CZUSA can provide that for them. I really don't think we're going to see much of a difference in either line of guns. ie no 10mm DW marked 97Bs, or CZ marked funky caliber revolvers.
I think the only significant change we'll see out of this deal, at least for the next few years, is a shop that currently carries CZ, will now have a selection of DW 1911s. Along with the Kimbers, SAs, etc.
I'm a bit disappointed about it, but DW needed better distributing, and CZUSA can provide that for them. I really don't think we're going to see much of a difference in either line of guns. ie no 10mm DW marked 97Bs, or CZ marked funky caliber revolvers.
I think the only significant change we'll see out of this deal, at least for the next few years, is a shop that currently carries CZ, will now have a selection of DW 1911s. Along with the Kimbers, SAs, etc.
wally
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Check out the Armscor/Charles Daly/RIA MS and CS models.
I got a Daly CS (3.5" barrel) $373 out the door and its been 100% reliable out of the box shooting a variety of Wolf, lead SWC reloads and JHP (Golden Saber, Hydrashok, & Starfire). About 700 rounds thru it so far, with perfect function. Other than the front sight being a tad too tall (it shot low) it'd have been perfect out of the box. Trigger compares favorably with my Kimber Ultra Carry. I got the Daly to practice with so I wouldn't have to keep cleaning my Kimber which is in the carry rotation.
--wally.
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