DoctorOfLight
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I'm not seeing any shell holders on any of the pictures. Am I missing something?
Best AK-47 for the money?
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on the wasr-10, trigger bounce can be gotten rid of by installing a g2 trigger,i think?
however i heard the magazine wobble is so bad that it rattles and makes a lot of noise.
what company makes a semi auto akm that is as good as the origanal, for under 1,000$ ?
however i heard the magazine wobble is so bad that it rattles and makes a lot of noise.
what company makes a semi auto akm that is as good as the origanal, for under 1,000$ ?
nalioth
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All Kalashnikovs have "mag wobble". It's the way they're made (they also all rattle [even without a magazine]).ulfrik said:
If you're not into "just works" and have to have a "high speed - low drag" rifle that makes no noise and requires constant cleaning because it's tolerances are so precise - the Kalashnikov is not for you.
nalioth
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Century has been using Tapco G2 FCGs in it's WASRs for the past 3-odd years.ulfrik said:
You need to stop listening to the ancient myths and look into reality.
If you happen to have an older WASR, a Tapco G2 or Texas AK Triggers FCG will be quite an improvement (the TAKT more of one).
sturmgewehr
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I would say Arsenal builds the most authentic AKs on the market using as many Russian (Saiga) parts as they can. Fit and finish is top notch and most can be had for less than $1k.
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Here's some shots of my Arsenal SGL-31 AK-74 built on a Russian Saiga receiver.
stchman
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I have a 1963 WASR-10 made to be 922r compliant in 2009 and it has been 100% for me. It always shoots and when I concentrate from a bench I can get 2" groups at 50 yards.
I spent about $400 after the transfer. I bought some extra Tapco mags and never looked back.
I spent about $400 after the transfer. I bought some extra Tapco mags and never looked back.
nalioth
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You have a 2009 WASR made using parts from a 1963 Romanian military AKM.stchman said:
Today's WASRs are nothing more than recycled Romanian AKs.
sturmgewehr
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I do prefer the 5.45 over the 7.62. I believe the military surplus ammo I shoot is far more lethal than just about any other military round out there. The bullet has a hollow cavity at the nose with a mixture of mild steel and a lead alloy at the base. It's stable in flight, but when it hits flesh and the nose collapses the center of gravity rapidly shifts to the rear of the bullet causing it to immediately tumble.
You can read more about it here: http://www.cruffler.com/Features/OCT-01/trivia-October01.html
Anyway, that coupled with the extremely mild recoil impulse... it's tough to beat. It has much less recoil than the 7.62x39 (and even less than an AR15 in .223/5.56), holds a standard 30 rounds, fires an absolutely devastating cartridge, it's cheaper to shoot than anything else out there right now... what's not to prefer?
You can read more about it here: http://www.cruffler.com/Features/OCT-01/trivia-October01.html
Anyway, that coupled with the extremely mild recoil impulse... it's tough to beat. It has much less recoil than the 7.62x39 (and even less than an AR15 in .223/5.56), holds a standard 30 rounds, fires an absolutely devastating cartridge, it's cheaper to shoot than anything else out there right now... what's not to prefer?
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Oh, I forgot to comment about your question regarding the EOTech.
I like the EOTech, but I'm probably going to move to an Aimpoint CompM2 I have sitting around. I ordered a low mount 30mm ring for it today and will give it a shot. It has the added benefit of allowing me to co-witness the iron sights through the scope, something I can't do with the EOTech.
But I think the EOTech seems right at home on the Ultimak base. I think it looks like it belong there.
I like the EOTech, but I'm probably going to move to an Aimpoint CompM2 I have sitting around. I ordered a low mount 30mm ring for it today and will give it a shot. It has the added benefit of allowing me to co-witness the iron sights through the scope, something I can't do with the EOTech.
But I think the EOTech seems right at home on the Ultimak base. I think it looks like it belong there.
Zombiphobia
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The Saiga, also is Russian, last time I checked.
I've heard good things about the Yugo's, for just a bit more than WASR's.
I own a WASR-10, made just post-clinton. Bayonet lug is removed, no threading, but it accepts High-capacity mags and it's completely reliable and shoots well. Chrome lined barrel.
Only problem I have with it is the roughness of the bolt carrier, it looks like crap.
Using Wolf FMJ, I can hit a gallon jug at 100 meters almost every time.
I've heard good things about the Yugo's, for just a bit more than WASR's.
I own a WASR-10, made just post-clinton. Bayonet lug is removed, no threading, but it accepts High-capacity mags and it's completely reliable and shoots well. Chrome lined barrel.
Only problem I have with it is the roughness of the bolt carrier, it looks like crap.
Using Wolf FMJ, I can hit a gallon jug at 100 meters almost every time.
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Skipbo32,
The Russian milsurp is corrosive, so you have to clean the rifle after shooting it. But that's not a major issue for me given the low cost. Non-corrosive ammo can be had at a bit higher price.
How do you like the Bushnell? I used to have one on my M16 years ago but I destroyed it... it didn't like tons of FA fire.
The Russian milsurp is corrosive, so you have to clean the rifle after shooting it. But that's not a major issue for me given the low cost. Non-corrosive ammo can be had at a bit higher price.
How do you like the Bushnell? I used to have one on my M16 years ago but I destroyed it... it didn't like tons of FA fire.
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well i have an aimpoint comp ml3 on my M14 clone and love it! the bushnell tr25 red dot is a cheap version of the aimpoint mini (only cost me $80 at cabellas) and it is not the quality of aimpoint but it serves my AK just fine.....it is very quality for the price you pay however. i recomend the bushnell tr25 for anyone wanting a high value alternative optic. if you already have $400 sitting around then pull the trigger on the aimpoint comp......you will not be disappointed. i have never tried the eotech, but i can tell you, as someone who hikes in snow and raine i like how you can close up the aimpoint w/ lens covers. i also like how the dial is more tactile. in a nutshell: the eotech has a great reticle and large field of view but the aimpoint is more rugged.
how mush are you paying a rd w/ that 5.45? im getting my 7.62 for about .20 cents a rd.
how mush are you paying a rd w/ that 5.45? im getting my 7.62 for about .20 cents a rd.
Originally Posted by nalioth. All Kalashnikovs have "mag wobble". It's the way they're made (they also all rattle [even without a magazine]).
on youtube this guys wasr seemed like it had some kind of super mag wobble, wasr are modified from single stack mags to double stack mags, maby it gives them a little more mag wobble than the average ak ?
on youtube this guys wasr seemed like it had some kind of super mag wobble, wasr are modified from single stack mags to double stack mags, maby it gives them a little more mag wobble than the average ak ?
nalioth
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You're basing your observations on one gun you saw on youtube?ulfrik said:
Ooooookay.
WASRs are modified from single-stack configuration. Depending on the day of the week (if the monkey is still drunk from the weekend or looking forward to beer-o-clock on Friday) or the tools used, they can have wildly different magazine wells.
It is also dependent on the year the WASR was imported and made 922r compliant (evidently the drunk monkeys were a lot drunker years and years ago and had to use dull spoons).
Here is the bottom line: Does the magazine "wobble" so far one way or other that it causes the rifle to malfunction?
If so, you have "mag wobble" worth complaining about. Anything else is just a Kalashnikov (they're not AR15s and made with tight tolerances)
i saw in the shotgun news saiga rifles for about 180$ , so to make a profit an ffl could sell them for about 280$
so i wonder how much a wasr really cost? for that matter i wonder how much an ar15 really cost? probably 650$ thats what the army pays for it.lol
so i wonder how much a wasr really cost? for that matter i wonder how much an ar15 really cost? probably 650$ thats what the army pays for it.lol
nalioth
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Considering that originally the WASR was made of parts unfit to use on military rifles (which are the primary purpose of a Kalashnikov assembly facility), and today they're being made from old military rifles, their actual cost is near nothing. Even when you factor in shipping, we're still paying "market value" (IOW, what the gun buyers will pay), and not actual importer's cost + markup.ulfrik said:
How long ago was that? I in fact bought a couple saigas for less than $280. They were $270 after paying shipping and transfer fees. My dealer friend claims his prices on them have gone up (he is a pretty straight shooter with me) and you no longer see them anywhere for those prices more like $320. If you say it very recently it could be that prices have gone back down as seems to be happening with other guns right now too.
there are much nicer AK's than the WASR 10/63 I have but mine functions 100% and has not had issues with now thousands of rounds through it. I shoot it in USPSA and IPDA matches for fun alot. I refinished the wood so its much nicer looking. Mine came with the G2 trigger group. I think alot of the quality problems of the past are somewhat gone now. The monkeys at Century are better trained, they learned they were getting problems, the G2 trigger group is standard. I think the 10/63 uses better parts from what I'm told.
Anyway, its cheap, it function 100%. You'll get a higher qulaity (fit finish) AK but it's still an AK. Mine is quite accurate considering the platform especially with reloaded ammo.
Anyway, its cheap, it function 100%. You'll get a higher qulaity (fit finish) AK but it's still an AK. Mine is quite accurate considering the platform especially with reloaded ammo.
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