Best Defense/Assualt Shotgun?

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Best Defense/AssaultShotgun?

Not one.

While some designs are proven such as Win 97, Model 12, Ithaca 37 , 870...

The Reality is NO Tool is ever better than the user of said tool.

Fact is, again proven by history, is the Person with a Single Shot Shotgun had the most effective tool to defend in a defensive situation because they knew that single shot like a body part...

Unlike the aggressor, with the newer firearm , that repeated, held more rounds and Marketing "said" this firearm was the best defensive firearm to be had.


One cannot buy skill and Targets.
Software - not hardware.

 

[jamz]

Truth. Except you can buy targets, I see them for sale all the time.

 

[Chilean]

Saiga 12

 

[jad0110]

Best Defense/AssaultShotgun?

Tons of good ones. Too many to narrow down to just one "best". Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge vs Toyota vs ...

I really like my new Mossie 590. Works for me, so that's what I voted. Though I would have picked "all of the above" if that had been an option .

 

[October]

What happens in a stressful situation when you short-stoke a pump?? With a Mossberg, not a huge deal, just cycle it again....do it with an 870, and you've just turned your shotgun into a club, while still usefull, it's just not quite as effective....

Could you elaborate on this? What is it about a Mossberg that allows you to cycle a short-stroke without dire consequences, but not an 870?

 

[mseiferth]

Saiga 12 gets my vote.

 

[VirgilCaine]

Tons of good ones. Too many to narrow down to just one "best". Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge vs Toyota vs ...

Personally, I can exclude a lot of them.

For example, the Saiga 12 gauge has, IMO, the following advantages over most of the other choices.
--Takes detachable magazines of varying sizes and good availability. This puts it ahead of the tube-mag automatics, and the USAS ().
--Affordable. Excepting perhaps the Vepr and the Mossberg, the others are more expensive, sometimes much more so.
--Reliable. Kalashnikov action.

But that's just me.

 

[Smitty in CT]

Could you elaborate on this? What is it about a Mossberg that allows you to cycle a short-stroke without dire consequences, but not an 870?

It is because of the design of the carrier/elevator of the Remington vs. the Mossberg. With the action closed, the Remington carrier/elevator remains in the DOWN position, the Mossberg remains in the UP position, with the action closed.

If you "short stroke" a Remington it is possible to have a live shell release from the magazine and get jammed between the closed bolt and the carrier. This jams up the action until you can get the round out of the way. To clear the malfunction, you need to use a knife or something to slide the shell back into the magazine.

On the Mossberg if you "short-stroke" you end up with a live round on the ground, you just need to hit the action release and cycle the gun and you'd be ready to go...

I have a 20GA Remington 870 Wingmaster and a Mossberg 535, I have only short stroked the Remington a few times, mostly trying to get a "double" on the clays course. The Mossberg 535 gets short stroked ALL the time, something about that extra 1/2" of travel that screws me up...

Either of the above scenarios are why I recommend a dependable semi-auto for high stress / HD situations, not to mention the recoil reduction benefits.

 

[CWL]

What? No Franchi SPAS-12?

I guess they haven't appeared in any new video games recently...used to be the top choice shotgun for the button-masher crowds.

 

[66912]

Ithaca DSPS and/or Remy 870.

 

[Fast Frank]

Smitty is on to it. The autos are easier to use, and easier to hit with.

Most folks don't seem to be aware of this one.

It's not found in the normal places, you have to go to Remington's "LE" website to see it. http://www.remingtonle.com/shotguns/1187.htm

This is a Remington 11-87P. It comes with the extended magazine, ghost ring sights, and a couple of other "Combat" extras.

It's been super reliable for me, and the gas action makes it really easy to go ahead and take that second or third shot if you want to.

I think it should be considered when we talk about the best HD shotgun.

I was going to post a pic of mine... but for some reason I can't get into photobucket. I'll edit one in later.

 

[Geno]

Remington 870 Tactical

 

[HOLY DIVER]

boy the question will plauge man kind for years to come
i use a parder pump for h/d
allong with a snub-nose 45 longcolt
allso keep a smith detective special .38 for the wife
do i have all the bases covered?

 

[jahwarrior]

what?!?! no mossberg 500????

 

[Don Carter]

Wish you'd included my Ithica Model 37 with the Deersalyer barrel on it.

 

[Fast Frank]

Here's the pic

Sorry, here's the pics of the 11-87P





It's got everything you could possibly want in a HD shotgun.

It's been 100 percent reliable, it's easy to shoot, recoil is quite a bit less than a pump gun.

You just don't know what awesome is until you learn how to double tap with buckshot.

BAMBAM!!!

I can usually get the two patterns to overlap. Devastating! I think Mr. T said it best... "I pity the fool".

 

[Firepower!]

How many of you have actually used USAS-12 of have seen it fire?

I wonder after that any other shotgun other than AA12 is out of the question. Please correct me if I am missing something here.

If not check it out on the www.youtube.com

 

[Commander Guineapig]

good lordy....you left the Remington 870 off! The best deffensive shotgun made is not ON the list -LOL (No Ithaca 37 either!)

+1, I'm with him.
Remmy 870, pistol grip...mah pers'nal fav'rit.
GP

 

[Brian Dale]

Bone stock 870, or 37, or 590, or Mod 12, 1897, 11, 11-48, 1100, SX1...just use the one that you've practiced with the most.

Short stroke? That's why the gentlemen tell you to "Pump it like you mean to break it."

It's got everything you could possibly want in a HD shotgun.

A stock that fits me, and a lot of ammo?

Cool.

 

[ZombiesAhead]

The Remington 870 should definately by on this list. Also, it comes down to preference between semi-auto and pump. For me, a pump 500/590 is the best choice (I use a 590, 20", 8+1 shot mag, bead sight). I've handled 870's although I can't say I have ever shot one but I do LOVE the top-center-mounted safety on the Mossberg 500/590.



I'm not sure what the big deal is about recoil. I'm a pretty big guy but I've never found the small reduction in recoil a reason to go to a semi; and I prefer the ultimate reliability of a pump over a semi.

Furthermore, a single hit from a 12ga buckshot/slug is going to stop any BG and you need to practice if you can't hit a torso with a long-gun at any possible distance inside of a house.

The real debate for me is full stock vs pistol grip. I choose a full stock because I can't hit much with a pistol grip, but I do see how a pistol grip could make for significantly better maneuverability/concealment/cover inside a house. I'm considering a folding stock for my 590 but haven't yet found anything that really grabs me.

 

[Dave McCracken]

GOOD GRIEF!!

Every shotgun on this thread will do the job if We're up to it.

Any shotgun we've put a couple thousand rounds through since Crispin's day is a weapon of tremendous utility and effect.

Some of us need to spend more time at the range and less debating Ford/Chevy/Dodge.

What part of BA/UU/R are you having trouble with?.....

 

[kimberfan]

mossberg 930spx.

 

[RonE]

What about the Winchester Mod 21 with the barrels cut to 18"?

 

[BENELLIMONTE]

Browning 3 1/2" BPS!

 

[SWM19]

I'd have to agree with the guys who've mentioned the 870. For me, the sound of a pump action shotgun can be enough deterrent 9 out of 10 times, and if I can get out of a high pressure situation without actually having to discharge the weapon then I'm better off.

Plus, I've fired countless boxes of shells through this gun, and it feels as comfortable in my hands and on my shoulder as the Savage 410 I had when I was 10 years old.