Best out of box 1911 under 1K?
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I bought a Stainless Gold Cup Trophy in Nov 07 for $1049. Worth the difference if your budget is $1000.
I'm considering a Blue Gold Cup Trophy. Less than $1000. You will not regret a GC.
My guns are safe queens. I take them to the range 1-4 times a month. Sometimes they sit for months. Doesn't matter...it's nice knowing they are there....and paid for.
I'm considering a Blue Gold Cup Trophy. Less than $1000. You will not regret a GC.
My guns are safe queens. I take them to the range 1-4 times a month. Sometimes they sit for months. Doesn't matter...it's nice knowing they are there....and paid for.
sloo50
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Dan Wesson. How about a CPO SIG GSR? 2 Quality choices.
Wes
Wes
weisse52
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I vote Colt, A Colt is always the right answer. Gold Cup is sweet, a 70 series re-issue is GREAT.
SA makes a nice piece as well.
SA makes a nice piece as well.
waterhouse
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For a 5" gun I'll throw the STI Trojan into the mix. I like DW as well. My DW has a better slide to frame fit than my STI, but the STI has a better trigger.
My STI has also fed and cycled everything, even some slightly long and slightly short SWC powderpuff loads from when I first started reloading and didn't have everything set up perfectly yet.
I own 1911s ranging from $460 to $1500, but under $1000 I'd go with one of those two.
My STI has also fed and cycled everything, even some slightly long and slightly short SWC powderpuff loads from when I first started reloading and didn't have everything set up perfectly yet.
I own 1911s ranging from $460 to $1500, but under $1000 I'd go with one of those two.
Ske1etor
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I guess I will have to send my Kimber back since it is "Horribly out of spec" and "Jams"... Oh wait... it doesn't.
Purchase what you want and don't listen to koolaid drinkers. If you like it, buy it. If you don't, pass on it.
Purchase what you want and don't listen to koolaid drinkers. If you like it, buy it. If you don't, pass on it.
steelyblue
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Go to an indoor range, rent a 1911. When you are there you will probably find other people shooting the very guns we're talking about. Express interest in their guns and they will usually offer to try theirs out. That's real shopping. When you buy your gun, don't forget to show it off here with pics!!!
sturmgewehr
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mnw42
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Colt.
ADKWOODSMAN
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Colt Series 70 Gold Cup, Colt Enhanced, Springfield. They all serve me well.
steelyblue
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Kimbers are horrible, but mine is awesome
birdshot8's
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i have been looking at the taurus 1911, why has this pistol not been recommended? Thanks.
Ske1etor
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Oh, wow... I guess you have a point...
Or not, either way I hope it was worth your time.
Lookie here!
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=194244
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=4721
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=192661
See, I can do that too...
Edit* Touche' steelyblue, touche'.
sturmgewehr
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Nice try, but no cigar.
Go Google Larry Vickers, Hilton Yam, Hacktorn and Tim Lau. Let me know what you find out.
Meanwhile, if you would provide links to comments made by several master pistolsmiths saying Les Baer, Springfield or Dan Wesson are horribly flawed in most cases and are "more trouble than they're worth" I'll be content to say "you win".
Go Google Larry Vickers, Hilton Yam, Hacktorn and Tim Lau. Let me know what you find out.
Meanwhile, if you would provide links to comments made by several master pistolsmiths saying Les Baer, Springfield or Dan Wesson are horribly flawed in most cases and are "more trouble than they're worth" I'll be content to say "you win".
jr_roosa
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I've been having a long discussion with my gunsmith about this.
His recs for staying under $1000 are:
1. Taurus: all the bells and whistles, recent ones are pretty tight and don't need much work for target work, if any. Frames are IMBEL, which are apparently the same ones used by Springfield (per him...I've heard otherwise) so any custom work is easy. This is the only "out of box" suggestion from him.
These aren't out of the box, but might be interesting for staying in your price range:
2. Used Colt Government Model, pre Ser80: ones with finish wear but good guts go pretty cheap and can be made really nice for a minimum of work. Finish work is pretty cheap.
3. Custom build from a new frame: have your smith make anything you want. So long as you don't want any super high-end parts he said you can stay around $900 without much trouble. Maybe a little higher for a competition gun, less for a carry gun.
My thoughts are why not buy local? If I'm going to spend $1000, why not give half to a local guy for a used gun and half to keep your favorite local 1911 gunsmith in business?
I'd say see who the local 1911 gunsmith is and go bug him. Even if you get a new gun, he knows which ones show up in the shop with problems and which ones are a bear to work with. Plus if you have problems with your new gun, he's going to become your best friend.
-J.
His recs for staying under $1000 are:
1. Taurus: all the bells and whistles, recent ones are pretty tight and don't need much work for target work, if any. Frames are IMBEL, which are apparently the same ones used by Springfield (per him...I've heard otherwise) so any custom work is easy. This is the only "out of box" suggestion from him.
These aren't out of the box, but might be interesting for staying in your price range:
2. Used Colt Government Model, pre Ser80: ones with finish wear but good guts go pretty cheap and can be made really nice for a minimum of work. Finish work is pretty cheap.
3. Custom build from a new frame: have your smith make anything you want. So long as you don't want any super high-end parts he said you can stay around $900 without much trouble. Maybe a little higher for a competition gun, less for a carry gun.
My thoughts are why not buy local? If I'm going to spend $1000, why not give half to a local guy for a used gun and half to keep your favorite local 1911 gunsmith in business?
I'd say see who the local 1911 gunsmith is and go bug him. Even if you get a new gun, he knows which ones show up in the shop with problems and which ones are a bear to work with. Plus if you have problems with your new gun, he's going to become your best friend.
-J.
Ske1etor
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I don't need the opinions of "Master Pistolsmiths" to tell you that MY Custom II is not out of spec, nor does it jam.
My intent wasn't to get you to say that I win. I don't really care what YOUR opinion is but when you start bashing someones choice of firearm based on someone elses problem/articles that is where it becomes a bit wierd.
I can totally understand if one of those firearms was yours and you experienced the problem but to come on the internet and bash kimber based on someone elses opinion is silly. I have one, I have not had problems and yes, I understand that some kimbers fall out of spec and may jam... but show me a firearm that WONT jam and I will gladly escort you back to reality.
The fact is this. There are bound to be problems here and there but the majority of Kimber owners are completely happy with their purchase if they weren't Kimber wouldn't sell the numbers that they sell.
I could rant all day long about how ALL GLOCKS KABOOM but that simply isn't true. I could also rant on how EVERY XD HAS RUST PROBLEMS but it would be a rash generalization...
I choose not to make assumptions on things based on the drivel I read on the internet.
steelyblue
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Nice try Ske1etor
You cannot convince nice people who are hell bent on poisoning people against a particular firearm. You may be here for intertainment, social, and informative purposes, but obviously they are on a mission. Destroy Kimber! They are partaking in a losing battle, however. Kimber keeps on making far more money than they do.
BTW, I've never bought a brand new Kimber, so I have no stake in whether anybody buys one or not. As a company, I could care less whether they thrive or die. I buy used Kimbers because they are cheap($500-700), and I can get everything I want in a 1911 with them. Yes, I would rather have a Brown, Baer, or Wilson, but I am poor! You guys keep buying the new guns and I'll keep buying them from you when you're done with them.
You cannot convince nice people who are hell bent on poisoning people against a particular firearm. You may be here for intertainment, social, and informative purposes, but obviously they are on a mission. Destroy Kimber! They are partaking in a losing battle, however. Kimber keeps on making far more money than they do.
BTW, I've never bought a brand new Kimber, so I have no stake in whether anybody buys one or not. As a company, I could care less whether they thrive or die. I buy used Kimbers because they are cheap($500-700), and I can get everything I want in a 1911 with them. Yes, I would rather have a Brown, Baer, or Wilson, but I am poor! You guys keep buying the new guns and I'll keep buying them from you when you're done with them.
sturmgewehr
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Conversely, I never said your Kimber did jam nor that it was out of spec. You put those words in my mouth. I said "many", not "all".
You claim there are many happy Kimber owners, I never said there weren't. There were happy Ford Pinto owners too. But that doesn't negate the fact that they were problematic, nor does it negate the fact many Kimbers (more than other 1911 makers) have quality problems. That's very well documented and not "internet drivel". Just because you stick your fingers in your ears and go "nah nah nah nah" doesn't mean that Kimbers don't have very real problems.
You have a good one, I'm happy for you.
But don't belittle those of us who have had more than one Kimber and had horrible experiences (yes, I'm one) with both the product and customer service. There are a lot of us out there, hence the poor reputation of Kimber.
You can discount the comments of people like Vickers and Yam, but to most of us we respect their opinions. Most in the gun community do as they are operators and world class smiths. What are your qualifications? Should anyone value your observation with one Kimber over theirs with many?
I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt because said something unflattering about your favorite pistol.
You claim there are many happy Kimber owners, I never said there weren't. There were happy Ford Pinto owners too. But that doesn't negate the fact that they were problematic, nor does it negate the fact many Kimbers (more than other 1911 makers) have quality problems. That's very well documented and not "internet drivel". Just because you stick your fingers in your ears and go "nah nah nah nah" doesn't mean that Kimbers don't have very real problems.
You have a good one, I'm happy for you.
But don't belittle those of us who have had more than one Kimber and had horrible experiences (yes, I'm one) with both the product and customer service. There are a lot of us out there, hence the poor reputation of Kimber.
You can discount the comments of people like Vickers and Yam, but to most of us we respect their opinions. Most in the gun community do as they are operators and world class smiths. What are your qualifications? Should anyone value your observation with one Kimber over theirs with many?
I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt because said something unflattering about your favorite pistol.
sturmgewehr
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Yes, if you say something uncomplimentary about a firearm you've had bad experiences with, you're "hell bent" on bring that firm down.
Talk about being melodramatic.
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