BHO mag follower for AK hi caps

[dstorm1911]

AK103,....... uhhh bud those BHO mags are and were military issue as is the BHO Selector BTW, they were standard on later Yugo AKs and standard from Day one with the M92 Yugo so I really don't know where ya are gettin non spec from???? could ya enlighten us please? The Chinese instituted the BHO mag because soldiers in the heat of combat would engage an enemy with an empty weapon...... thats generally considered a bad thing same reason why the Serbs went to BHO mags but then ya probably got that super human trained by T.V habit of accuratly counting your shots in full auto while all hells breakin loose around ya huh?

Figured it hadda be the case, well in real life combat #1 ya don't generally get to just stop cause ya wanna swap out a full mag for another full mag #2 if your bolt locks back on the last shot (and with the utter simplicity of the AK BHO mag it has no choice but to lock open) then ya know beyond a shadow of a doubt that ya needa get your a$$ behind solid cover right now cause ya are pointin an empty rifle at the enemy.......... ya know since the vast majority of soldiers on an adrenalyn rush have much success counting shots fired while tryin to keep their head outa the way of incomming ordinance from the opposition.........

Oh and BTW......... time does stop when the world starts blowin up around you..... an hour can pass and it will feel like minutes...

 

[benEzra]

If I want to quickly drop the mag, I just hit the release with the middle finger of my hand on the grip. I dont have big hands and I have no troubles reaching it. (I also use the middle finger for the selector, also with my hand on the grip.) You can easily dump the mag while reaching for the new one, or while its on the way to the well, for that matter.

Compared to me, you apparently have large hands. My fingers aren't long enough to do that.

 

[Gewehr98]

I *believe* Mr. Moderator said "everyone chill".

I'd take that sage advice.

Mr. Dstorm, we know you're in business to sell these neat things. We also know that many conscripts, for example, Soviets, didn't have the benefit of a BHO mag with their bazillion Kalashnikovs.

How, then, did they ever expect to make it through the Fulda Gap when the balloon went up? It appears they were doomed before they started, sans BHO mags.

(Just sayin', from the view of a fellow 20-year military vet...)

 

[dstorm1911]

Gewehr98, I was simply addressing AK103's assertion the mags and selector are non mil-spec while in fact they are and no I do not sell these things, I sold my design for a Yugo based selector that I had also added a Trigger finger operating shelf to a major distributer 2 years back but at the prices they charge...... I don't see em sellin many and if they did I don't see any of the profits, I add the cutout to Selectors of rifles I build for people as a SAFTY feature as it provides a means for them to keep the bolt open while shooting on public ranges and in the event of a failure to extract etc....

The BHO mags were designed by the Yugo military, the Chinese did it before them, we don't sell any as......... well all of the ones we imported are in my personal collection feeding 317 different AKs Yep I just kept all the BHO Yugo mags we got to supliment the few hundred T68 mags I've been using for bout 14 years..... we don't sell a single one...... However they are a very good idea and no they are not a "gizmo" as put forward by AK103 they were introduced for a very specific reason which BTW had nothing to do with fast mag changes it was due to the problem of soldiers confronting an enemy with an empty chamber......

The modified selector will actually slow down those who are looking for a lightening fast mag swap........ I haven't said anything about all those "experts" who have been stating that ya simply flick the selector up with your finger before removing the mag because ..... well it was funny to read and very clear they had never actually used a rifle with the noytched selector because in order for it to work...... ya gotta pull the bolt back with your left hand about 1.5" ..... then ya can flip it up...... ya can't cut the notch far enough forward to allow it to simply be flipped up with the finger as there is not even close to enough metal as the tip of the selector is all ya have to work with if the mag has locked the bolt open........ but for the sake of not embarrasing anyone ........... ya see some folks who spend way to much time in front of a puter and not enough time actually useing these weapons will look at a picture and think they got it all figured out enough to be able to make statements "based on their experience" the problem is..... ya gotta actually go get an AK outa the closet look at the picture I posted of the notched selector then draw back your bolt handle till the bolt is at the rear of a mag....... now ya actually get to see that the notched selector is not actually usable for high speed gamer reloads but simply a safty feature which requires both hands to operate.......... same way the Yugos intended it to be...... but folks won't bother they will simply go with how they envision it works and walla based on their experience.......

Anyhow, the info is available above for those who want it, there are just a few too many "experts" in the thread and anything I might add that is based on actual real facts is going to contradict what those "experts" want to try and pass off as experiences so better if I just drop myself outa the thread.... I needa go play with some actual REAL AKs so ya'll have a beutiful day

 

[SSN Vet]

Wow!!!

thanks for all the replies and the "lively" discussion.

but once again, I've learned something on THR....

with the noytched selector because in order for it to work...... ya gotta pull the bolt back with your left hand about 1.5" ..... then ya can flip it up...... ya can't cut the notch far enough forward to allow it to simply be flipped up with the finger as there is not even close to enough metal as the tip of the selector is all ya have to work with if the mag has locked the bolt open.

this is exactly what I was wondering....

I'm just an average Joe...

I'm not a 3 gun guy, (or any other type of competitor)

I doubt I'll ever discharge one, let alone 30 rounds in "heated combat" with the rifle...

If I tried to re-load my converted Saiga that fast....I'd surely drop something...

I'm not really planning on doing extensive training with the rifle.

I have two objectives.....

1. to be able to leave the rifle on the bench with the bolt locked open as a courtesy to the other shooters on the range, when a cease fire is called.

2. to never ever ever hear "click" when I need to hear "bang"

I did not re-install the stock internal, manual, Saiga BHO (wich has nothing to do with the selector) for this reason....

even after making positively sure that it was fully engaged (not just the bolt momentarily hung up on the hammer), if I held the rifle in the vertical position and even lightly tapped the but of the stock on the ground, the manual BHO releases and the bolt slams shut.

I'm interested in the notched selector BHO to address #1.

I'm interested in the follower BHO to address #2 above.

Can anyone tell me if the notched selector provides a "sure and positive" lock on the charging handle, that won't come free untill the operator toggles the selector back to fire?

I'm not implying the AK needs anything or commenting on any one elses set up.

This is my rifle and I'm setting it up to address my needs, desires and preferences. You all can do with yours what you see fit.

 

[MudPuppy]

If that's your goals, get some yugo mags from centerfire and the selector from makosecurity--it is a solid bho "device".

 

[dstorm1911]

SSV Vet........ yes it is a VERY solid positive lock and as an added bonus the safty is also engaged, As I'd told ya in your initial PM a very cheap ($20) way to get one if ya don't wanna cut your own is to simply order a Yugo M92 Selector, they are factory cut for the BHO and are a direct drop in for a 1 mm thick reciever, for a 1.5 mm reciever ya need to very slightly open the gap on the backside of em....... 2-3 swipes with the wifes fingernail file will do the job.... The rifle I used as an example had to have the BHO notch as the owner lives in Deleware and the only public range requires a positive bolt lock to keep the bolt in the open while not on the fireing line...... they could not even take the rifle on the range property unless it could be locked open....... the notch met the range rule requirments perfectly.. and when the range master tested it the first time by striking the bolt handle he was very happy it didn't budge..... that is currently the only AK rifle period allowed at that range but folks have asked its owner how to get theires modified so they can also use them on the range..... I've given them all the same advise bout just buyin the Yugo M92 selector as a milspec part that drops right in etc... rather than rackin up fee's shipping rifles in etc... when its totally unnecessary.... 30 seconds to swap em and your done

 

[W.E.G.]

This guy seems rather unconcerned about the absence of the hold-open function.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RgH6tHgyvY

 

[AK103K]

dstorm1911,

I still stand by what I said. Perhaps you should reread it. I never said the mags were not mil spec, just a comment towards the selector, as all of the ones I've seen, have not been. You seem to be enamored with the Yugo stuff, and thats cool. I personally dont see the point, nor do I see that its a desirable thing, but thats me. I've never had any problems working the AK as it comes. I may not have hundreds of AK's, but I do shoot the few I have on a fairly regular basis, and I'm pretty familiar with how they work. I've even played with "real" AK's, just like you. Like I said, the gun stops shooting you reload. A dead trigger is a dead trigger, BHO or not, and when your concentrating on what your shooting, under stress, you still get a dead trigger when the bolt locks back, and you do the same thing you do with a gun that doesnt have a BHO.

Regardless, empty or not, I always reload when theres an opportunity, and I always work the charging handle when I do if the bolt is closed, AK, M16, whatever. How about you? Or do you wait for the "Oh Scheiße!" moment, when the gun is empty to reload?

Just because something is available, doesnt mean its a spec item, and "most' of what I've seen of the aftermarket "gizmos" out there for the AK, to me, the majority are questionable at best. YMMV, especially if your planning on making money off them.

Your so right about the experts. Funny how most will tell you you need a lot of stuff you dont in order to be able shoot your gun. If you just spend all that money wasted on junk on more ammo, and practice a little, you might actually find you can shoot the gun as it comes.

 

[ancient_philosophy]

the BHO mags SUCK......ive got almost 400 AK mags....and i pawn those junkers off on other people.

since the bolt drops when you release the mag, theyre STUPID.



get real AK mags.... hungarian 40 rounders on sale everywhere for $20 each.

 

[dstorm1911]

W.E.G the guy in the video did it awhile back he was promoting a mag grip that he was selling that slips over the rifle mags on AK files when asked by several users

"so what do ya do when you run out of magazines" his reply was "well go back and pick them up later"

The guy has absolutally zero combat experience and is only concerned with GaAME Times...... if ya don't have to still be able to actually FIGHT then its fine, dirt in the mag body jamming up your follower or being completally outa mags etc... doesn't matter in make believe shooting competitions in the real world it will get ya killed he is also dumpin mags that are still holding 5 rnds in each BTW.......... personally with a couple hundred Chicom drums sittin on the shelf....... I wouldn't bother

AK103, After all the arsenals I've been privledged to visit around the world during 14 years of acting as an agent for onea the largest importers in the country... yes I am most impressed with the workmanship and Quality control standards found at Zastava, The Yugo's severally over engineered their weapons........ did em little good when they decided to erradicate the Croation part of the population but still some of the highest quality standards to be found anywhere, they pay extra attention to minor details that others handle as hindsight.....

BTW here are a few pics of onea my favorite rifles, this is the very first Yugo M70AB2 I ever built it rides across my back while blasing across the desert on a Husky 500 two stroke, I always use a T-68 in the rifle as its easier while on sling runnin a big bike jumping washes etc... the mags in the shoulder pouch are all Yugo 30 RND BHO mags its teamed up with any of several handguns but most usually a Springfield Armoury XD 40 Tactical 5"

Where I live at we are literally right next to the Mexico Border and up against BLM land that the drug smugglers and Illegal aliens coyotes use as a super highway to come into the USA, I patrol my own land as well as a couple thousand acres of the BLM land a few times aday primarily trying to create a buffer zone between my property particularily my home and the paths used by these folks... I've been in countless skirmishes with smugglers in the last few years many Times we get cought in the middle of fire fights between competing smugglers........ I don't play shooting games nor worry bout the coolest current gear trends etc... the bike and sand rail are camoed, I were beatup ol cowboy boots and Wranglers no trendy wannabe tacticool crap to restrict my movements or cause me to become over heated etc...

So far I've been able to get by with only 3 fatalities over the years primarily because the adversary generally realizes they are not dealing with the normal parading couch patato "Minute men" type they generally make jokes of etc... When I do fire a weapon it is VERY accurate aimed fire and usually enough to dissuade further effort on their part, I used to call the Border patrol but in the last year or so they've shown so little intrest in trying to prevent such activity I don't even bother anymore...... my guns MUST operate reliably in super fine wind blown sand environment, they are going to get banged around and beaten not pampered, If I mis a jump over a wash and drop the bike (has happened a few times the monsoons alter the terrain with every storm so ya never know how solid the banks are) I need that rifle to not fire the round which is in the chamber at all times......... If there is a failure I need to be able to clear it and a Bolt hold open selector makes that much easier..

The BHO Selector on this particular rifle BTW is as it came directly from ZASTAVA...... thats not one of my modified ones but an original.



The 1300 deffender is an example of what anyone entering our immediate yard will be met with if uninvited (within the total property we have 4 acres chainlinked off for the house) there is an exact duplicate of this svatter gun concealed in every room of the house and everyone living here or any of my employees who work here on a regular basis all know exactly where each is and how to use it.......... ea is loaded with 2 #4 Buck rounds first out next we go to 4 00 buck rnds the last round is a slug with 5 more 00 on the stock...

If I gotta play games beyond that...... I got 4300 more milsurps in the vaults below......... its gonna be a hell of a fireworks show

AK103 the BHO Selector takes absolutally nothing away from the AK platform it does however add quite a few advantages....... simple but then if ya've never had to try to clear a stuck case from a chamber while bein shot at ya probably would never understand anyway...................

 

[dstorm1911]

Oh and by the way if ya do need super fast reloads.......... then why even bother reloading at all if I can't neutralize a threat within 75 rnds without bein able to at least get myself to solid cover then I might as well give them the rifle and see if they can put it to better use than me.....

 

[AK103K]

Shooting it like that, it wont be long before someone takes it.

 

[Drakejake]

Some time ago I dremeled the bumps off the inside of my Chinese mags and got the BHO feature. Do you need to remove the safety lever to notch it? If so, is this hard to do?

Thanks,

Drakejake

 

[dstorm1911]

Yes ya need to remove the selector to cut the notch, very simple with just a dremel or even a hacksaw etc... with the dremel use a cutoff wheel to make the two end cuts first then the wheel should be reduced in size so ya can make the bottom cut then use a pliers to work the piece back and forth to break it loose finish up with a file....

F-S These guys will carry anything from Glenfield .22s with the butt sawed off (very popular, I believe mostly cause they are cheap) Ya find alot of Glocks and alot of SKSs and semi as well as F/A MACs and UZIs the last few years have seen more AKs last year we had one who fancied himself a sniper...... had all the latest tacticool nylon, had him a real pretty Charles Daily stainless 1911 to go with his Savage 110......... he just hadn't realized there was more to bein a sniper than buyin all the pretty camo gear and mountin a Bushnell 4-12x42 scope on your rifle......... ya also needa know how to remain very very still for hours on end less the guy lookin at ya through the spottin scope from 735 yards out might start plantin 600 grn slugs from a Barret M82 right under your nose........... but for a couple days he did make things entertaining........ no he wasn't a fatality he is however serving 8 years in the Arizona Department of Corrections, decided he didn't like that pretty Savage 110 so much and tossed it after bein bracketed with 3 .50s and no clue where they were commin from

Have also been sued twice for shootin up water jug stashes found on my property, the liberals (who are trespassin BTW to hide the water jugs) tried to push the endangerment angle of me depriving these criminals of water in the desert.... In both cases I showed that all they hadda do was stop hideing and step out to the road there is plenty of water at each of the pumping stations and the Border patrol officers constantly cruisin around all have 3 5 gallon jugs in their vehicles etc...... just gotta stop breakin the law and ya can have all the water ya need..........

But I still get lots of target practice everytime I go out, kinda handy actually as I could never haul 10 one gallon jugs on the bike out into the desert just to use for practice........

O.K Nough bein off topic, ya'll have fun

 

[MudPuppy]

All you need to do to notch the safety is pull the bolt back to the rear, slide the safety up and mark it with a sharpie or a scribe or something to the front and rear of the charging handle. That'll be the guide for how big the cut will be.

Then pull the top cover and bolt/recoil spring. You should be able rotate the safety up (counter clockwise as you face the safety) and it'll slide out of its notch.

here's the mako style:

BHO or not, that oversized finger tab looks like a huge improvement.