Bobo's pocket auto comparison chart

[Bobo]

Hi Marshall,

A return thanks for your great site www.mouseguns.com, and for hosting the chart for us!

Bobo

 

[bigred0383]

Bobo, I want to chime in with everyone else in thanking you for compiling the chart, it is a very useful reference!

I know that it has been brought up once or twice already in this thread, and I understand that at 6.1" long and 20.8oz in weight, the PPK is outside of the pocket gun requirements, but have you considering adding it as a reference similar to the J-Frame/1911 (possibly even taking the place of the 1911 on the chart)? It is certainly a classic and well known design that many people have handled (ala J-Frame) that would make an excellent reference point for the other pistols listed. I am sure many would consider it one of the original pocket pistols.

Just curious, and thanks again!

 

[rogertc1]

As a life time mouse gun collector your work is appreciated.

 

[AKElroy]

the smaller Glocks among others, might fit larger front pockets, but in addition they are also generally wider and heavier. This makes them a bit too much for comfortable pocket carry in my opinion.

I'm a big guy @ 250 lbs, so my pockets are large. I carry a G27 in a desantis nemesis holster in my front pocket as my primary CCW. With light or tight clothes, I usually switch to a S&W 340 w/ 38+p's. I am not a fan of "mouse" guns if a standard caliber can be swallowed up in a pocket--Best to try it & see if they fit comfortably before assuming a minor caliber is the only choice for pocket carry. 10 rounds of 165 grn. gold dot DT's + 9 more in the off pocket mag is very reassuring in a dark parking lot or garage. For normal sized people, major caliber pocket carry may not be as viable an option, but it is worth testing the fit just in case.

 

[Probie9]

Great job!! I will have to look at the P11. Couldn't decide between Millennium Pro P111 and the Keltec. Can't have too much information. Again, Great Job!!!

 

[midiwall]

I just found this - wanted to say thank you SOOO much!

 

[midiwall]

I will have to look at the P11. Couldn't decide between Millennium Pro P111 and the Keltec.

I've been wandering through a similar decision point and ended up sold on a third option - the KelTec PF9. It's a only single-stacked 7+1 versus 10+1, but it's a smoother weapon.

It's basically the upgrade of the P-11; smaller, lighter, smoother.

Just like anything else, they're hard to find... So maybe get on waiting lists for either one and grab the first one that comes up.

 

[drtee]

Chart

Thanx for the chart. Very useful.

 

[longslide10]

Greetings

Greetings all.

I stumbled across this forum, filed it in my favorites, and was about to close it when I decided to scan through it. This was the first thread I opened and it was enough to make me want to join. I've got a few hand-cannons and several "mice" myself.

Great chart and forum!

 

[jwalker497]

I use this thing all the time!!! KUDOS to the author!

Are there new pieces out that are not listed on this, just curious?

 

[Methos]

Great chart! It's extremely helpful. The one problem I'm finding with it is how to locate ammo for whatever I choose. I turned in my permit last week and at this rate I'll have a permit and (hopefully a gun), but no ammo.

Just curious why the Bersa (believe that is the name) isn't included.

 

[polekitty]

I don't weigh 200+ lb so my pockets aren't any bigger than most other guys. My Taurus 24/7PRO 9mm fits in one of my pockets quite well. Doesn't that make it a "pocket gun?" How about that Para midget 9mm?

 

[BIKERTRASH]

Bobo,
How about the Springfield XD40 at 26 oz. with a 3" barrel and 4.75" tall with the 9 shot mag. I purchased one and it is great in a back belt holster a jackey pocket or even in your pants pocket.
But that's my openion and i'm stickin to it. Although my wife has a hard time cocking itso I'll end up with a KelTec 0380 for her.

 

[Bobo]

jwalker asked - "Are there new pieces out that are not listed on this, just curious?"
Answer - Not as far as I know of.

Methos said - "The one problem I'm finding with it is how to locate ammo for whatever I choose. I turned in my permit last week and at this rate I'll have a permit and (hopefully a gun), but no ammo."
Answer - Welcome to the "no-ammo" club!!
Methos queried - "Just curious why the Bersa (believe that is the name) isn't included."
Answer - There are no Bersas under 6" in length. Some are really close but they just missed the parameters for the chart.

polekitty asked - "My Taurus 24/7PRO 9mm fits in one of my pockets quite well. Doesn't that make it a "pocket gun?" How about that Para midget 9mm?
Answer - same as above.

BIKERTRASH asked - "How about the Springfield XD40 at 26 oz. with a 3" barrel and 4.75" tall with the 9 shot mag... "
Answer - same as above.

Thanks to all who have expressed their appreciation for "the chart",
Bobo

 

[harmon rabb]

are you the same Bobo i know from AR? do you like fat chicks? :hmm:

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Well, since we're including vaporware (Kahr .380), then I think we need to add the Boberg to Bobo's:

http://www.bobergengineering.com/

Great work, by the way!

 

[dancingbear1564]

you missed one

When I was looking for a pocket gun. I did all my own research and even test fired a couple little pocket rockets. I ended up with a Bersa Thunder .380CC, I actually carry it more than my XD-40SC. In your pocket, IWB holster or in your hand the gun practicly disappears. For what I payed for the Bersa, (under $300) it is a fine piece of equipment.

 

[Bobo]

harmon rabb

are you the same Bobo i know from AR? do you like fat chicks? :hmm:

Nope, never been on AR.
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Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

Well, since we're including vaporware (Kahr .380), then I think we need to add the Boberg to Bobo's:

http://www.bobergengineering.com/

Great work, by the way!

There actually have been some Kahr 380s produced and sold -- no so the Boberg.
Thanks for the kudos.
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dancingbear1564

When I was looking for a pocket gun. I did all my own research and even test fired a couple little pocket rockets. I ended up with a Bersa Thunder .380CC, I actually carry it more than my XD-40SC. In your pocket, IWB holster or in your hand the gun practicly disappears. For what I payed for the Bersa, (under $300) it is a fine piece of equipment.

The Bersa just missed the under 6" OAL, the smallest Bersa, the CC version is exactly 6" OAL. There a few other guns that are exactly 6" OAL also.

Bobo

 

[rhoggman]

Bobo...

The LCP does not have a slide lock. It is actually has a "manual slide hold open".

This is important because the slide does not lock back after he last round.

The purpose of the manual slide hold open is only for manually chambering a round.

This also helps distinguish the difference in operation from guns like he Kahr.

 

[Bobo]

rhoggman,

You are correct, the difference should be noted. The next update will have "Slide Hold Open" for the LCP.

Thanks,
Bobo

 

[Joistman]

I have found more useful information on this website in 2 days than I have in scouring the internet for 3 weeks. Your chart is an absolute gem. Thanks for your efforts.

 

[newuser]

Bobo,
Thanks for the chart and keeping up to date. It has influenced many of my gun purchases. I just wish there were more SA pistols in this size range.
I know in the past there was talk of doing a revolver chart and medium size auto chart. What ever happened to these? Are they still in the works?
Thanks again

 

[Bobo]

newuser,

Thanks for the thanks.

I have had an open offer for over three years to anyone that wants to supply the photos and specifications for all the guns necessary to do a revolver or "larger" semi-auto gun chart. I will compile the supplied items into a finished chart once the information and photos are forwarded to me.

Twice someone has agreed to get the information, but so far there has been no follow through. See posts #10, #106 thru 108, #115 & 116 above; and this thread http://www.thehighroad.org./showthread.php?t=412149 especially post #10.

Most people don't realize how much time and effort it takes to get all the necessary information and to assure that it is accurate, and then to keep it up to date.

The offer is still open ...

Bobo

 

[Waldo Pepper]

G29 is my pocket gun and I been carrying one for couple years.


GLOCK 29 10MM AUTO

WEIGHT

700 g / 24.69 oz.​

LOADED (~)
935 g / 32.98 oz.

LENGTH
172 mm / 6.77 in.​

HEIGHT
113 mm / 4.45 in.​

MAG. CAPACITY
Standard: 10​

TRIGGER PULL
2.5 kg / 5.5 lbs.​

 

[mesinge2]

The sccy CPX-1 is a pocket 9mm in the compairson chart I was just wondering about people's opinions of this weapon.

I would like a pocket 9mm auto but I like a thumb safety.

If the sccy is not that great, does anyone else know a pocket 9mm auto with a thumb safety?