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Buds has AK pistols for $400.00

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by gym, Dec 7, 2013.

  1. gym

    gym member

    That has to be a record low for an AK pistol. They were in 556 and 762, the 556 was $399 and the 762 was $419. At those numbers is it not almost a must buy? Also a Rock Island GI 1911 for $329. Almost wholesale? Gun Show prices were 50% higher today on similar guns. Armscore, and Century, delivered.
    Is Buds bringing in the Christmas season with a bang? I am picking one up if they are still available. Maybe an AK and a RI GI, at that price it's like getting one free. Thoughts?
  2. wally

    wally Well-Known Member

    I'd suggest the RIA "Tactical" instead of the GI unless you are young and won't have a problem with the small GI sights and also know you don't need a "beavertail" grip safety to avoid hammer bite.

    Fixing these issues (if they need fixing for you) will cost a good bit more than the price premium of the Tactical over the GI.

    As far as the AK pistols, if SBR stamps weren't running over a year I'd say yeah grab one, but as a pistol they just aren't all that practical after the novelty of the flash and blast wears off. Those "forearm braces" would seem to help a lot. In an AK pistol get the 7.62x39 or 5.45x39 unless you like paying $35+ for spare mags.
  3. USAF_Vet

    USAF_Vet Well-Known Member

    Do they make a forearm brace for the AK pistols like they do with the AR?
  4. Girodin

    Girodin Well-Known Member

    Only a few years ago Dracos were selling for about $349. They were quite the steal then. The Draco is a better gun than the PAP as well IMHO. It has a chrome lines barrel and doesn't have the funky angled rear trunion. People do seem to like the style of the rear sight on the PAP. That said $400 is the cheapest I've seen that gun go for. Given the kind of crazy high prices AKs have been going for its a good price even accounting for a $200 tax stamp.

    It would be possible to use the various methods people use to mount AR stocks. However, I personally would just fill out the paper work send a check and bide my time and have a better set up in the end.

    That is a very good price on a GI RIA, particularly considering it is delivered. I wonder if they are closing out the last of the older guns with cast frames versus the newest model. Either way its a good price. However, the tactical may still be a better value. Particularly if these GI's are the older guns and one gets a newest model tactical. $125 dollars or so will go pretty quick changing sights. If one just wants a basic entry level GI model gun that deal would be hard to beat.

    There are no widely commercially available 5.45 AK pistols. Thankfully people have had the good sense to avoid making them to this point.

    To me the 7.62x39 is round that is much better suited to a 10-11.5" barrel than 5.56 is. Based on what I have seen shooting over a chronograph and what I have seen others report, there is only a couple hundred FPS lose going from a 16.5" gun down to an 11.5" Given that ranges 7.62x39 is best suited to, that is basically nothing.
  5. stressed

    stressed Well-Known Member

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  6. USAF_Vet

    USAF_Vet Well-Known Member

    For $400, I would love to pick one up, but my wife would kick my ass. Lol
  7. PabloJ

    PabloJ Well-Known Member

    I thought $200 stamp was needed if something like that had a folding stock (to qualify as the so called SBR). Unless we are talking spicy goulash Romanian product isn't going to be better then Yugo or Serbian one.

    The .223 is worthless the .30 would be useful with quality flash break and folding stock. I would not spend $400 or even $349 for what amounts to noise pollution maker. W/o quality muzzle break one would need to wear welders glasses to use it at night for HD.
  8. Girodin

    Girodin Well-Known Member

    Define better. Which is better on an AK chrome lined barrel or non-chrome lined barrel?

    People seem to like the sights (and mostly they seem to like the aesthetics of them) on the PAP more. People think they look more like what Americans often call a krinkov.

    If one wants to SBR the gun (and if you're not why bother with it IMHO), and isn't going to swap the rear trunion, the PAP's slanted rear trunion presents an additional issue.

    The draco has a detent in it so you can simply cut the weld on the thread protector and install your favorite 14x1LH muzzle device. The Pap requires (at least all of them I saw) getting parts and installing the detent yourself.

    As to the general quality. I'm not sure what folks are saying now but there were a lot of reports of things like canted sights, the fit of the top cover being significantly off. Now to be fair there were some reports of that with dracos as well. Its hard to say how prevelant issues were with either since its all anecdotal. Not that it means a whole lot but I saw more complaints about PAPs than I saw about dracos.

    Muzzle brakes and flash hiders are two different things. An AK with a 10.5-11.5" barrel produces a lot of flash with a bare muzzle. In my experience shooting in very low light it is enough to cause temporary night blindness after taking a shot. A muzzle brake is very very unlikely to change that and in fact will likely make it worse. The brake is also likely to make it MUCH louder to the shooters perspective and put off a lot of blast and concussion to any one around it. Different designs will obviously perform differently. Now a flash hider is designed to accomplish something different and does. In my experience a simple $9 A2 birdcage style hider will do wonders on 11.5" 7.62x39. The effects are enough to allow me to shoot it in extremely low light without any subsequent blinding. On a 7" 7.62x39 I fired in the same conditions the flash was still enough to temporarily blind me. I'd like to try something like a smith vortex which I suspect would be more effective.

    There are some combo brake/hiders (brakeout, battle comp, PWS FSC, various copies of the a fore mentioned items, etc). These essay to give the benefits of brake without the draw backs of added flash and blast. I personally don't have experience on short barreled AKs with any of them so I cannot say too much. In general they are thought to be more blasty and flashy then something like an A2.
  9. W.E.G.

    W.E.G. Well-Known Member

    Its only a "must-buy" if the gun provides some real utility to the owner.

    Raise your hand if you think the 7.62x39 is really a good handgun cartridge.

    If you want to buy it as an "investment" so you can flip it when Hillary is elected in 2016, do remember that you will be competing with all the panic-buyers off-loading overpriced guns they bought, but really didn't want last year.

    I flipped an AK pistol (Draco) and grossed a whopping $200 on it in 2012. If I had to do it over again, I wouldn't have bothered. Between the aggravation of dealing with the slow-pay buyer (they are all over the place when the panic-buying starts), and the hassle of photographing the damn thing, and posting an auction, and shipping costs, I completely got my fill of it.

    There will be another opportunity to at least not lose money getting rid of "evil" guns fairly soon, but I think the 2012 idiocy was probably the high point.

    Manufacturers are squirting-out cheap AR's and AK's like a Play-Dough Fun Factory. You'll be competing with them too when you try to flip that ridiculous AK pistol in 2016.
  10. stressed

    stressed Well-Known Member

    The only point of an AK pistol as to use as a locked and loaded truck gun, as your carry permit covers it. Other then that, it's pretty much worthless, especially without a stock. If you SBR it, then it is no longer a pistol and not covered under such, and is effectively a rifle.
  11. wally

    wally Well-Known Member

    Yes Century started selling the AK pistol brace just before the AR ones became available as far as I can tell. It may be the same basic patent, with a bit of extra hardware to mount it on the AK.
  12. Hometeached1

    Hometeached1 Well-Known Member

    I've thought about getting a AK pistol to keep in my truck (and being a pistol I would not have to worry about it getting concealed,) because I used to travel some pretty abandoned stretches of road, but now not so much, but would be nice to have still.
  13. Robbins290

    Robbins290 Well-Known Member

    I saw that. Been tempting. Maybe if i get a xmas bonus, i will order one.
  14. gym

    gym member

    I am picking at least 1 up. It's not something to overthink. A few months from now, you can always sell it and almost double your money, "next time they take off", and there is always a next time. Also as mentioned, I would leave the AK in the car, better than "social security". I saw them moving for $650 at the gun show yesterday.
    The markup in FL is larger also than in some states. Here they move fast..
  15. ratt_finkel

    ratt_finkel Well-Known Member

    Seen the ak pistol for the last couple weeks. Just can't really get excited about it. The RIA is a great deal in my book. Just have other stuff on my list.
  16. wow6599

    wow6599 Well-Known Member

    Bite your tongue!
  17. gym

    gym member

    If Hillary tries it, they will unleash more skeletons than the Morgue has on a busy weekend. Bengasi is just a warm up. Between her and the idiot she is married to, it's amazing how they aren't both in jail now.
  18. stressed

    stressed Well-Known Member

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