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Burlington VT Bans AR's - RANGE denies Local PD in protest

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by mcdonl, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. mcdonl

    mcdonl Well-Known Member

    Wow... this from a state with no gun laws and no CCW permit required to carry.



  2. trueg50

    trueg50 Well-Known Member

    the joke around here is "The nice thing about Burlington is that it is so close to VT!"

    Burlington really isn't Vermont in spirit or make up. Vermonters are nice people, but Burlington is about the only place people carry concealed weapons.

    This should hopefully be shot down in general vote (it also violates out state constitution), to it might not be legal at all.

    For those that don't know, the Council wanted to ban ALL semi-auto firearms from the city.
  3. mcdonl

    mcdonl Well-Known Member

    Trueg50, same thing in Maine... York County (Where I live, but inland rural not Kennebunk Port) and Cumberland County are very liberal but the rest of Maine is not.

    And, as of now our delegates are not in support of any bans but I expect to see several hit Augusta today.

    As far as the range doing what they are doing... Good for them. I would not support the City either.

    OT - Were you there long enough to remember the club "texas" in Burlington? It *was* a fun little city 20 years ago...
  4. fxstchewy

    fxstchewy Well-Known Member

    More knee jerk feel good crap that does absolutely.....nothing.
  5. heavydluxe

    heavydluxe Well-Known Member

  6. Trent

    Trent Resident Wiseguy

    These show-downs are escalating in frequency, and occurring across all levels of government.

    State V. Federal
    City V. State
    County V. State
    County V. Federal
    State V. State ("Come to Texas, NY Gun owners!")
    City V. Private organizations


    "May you live in interesting times"

    ^^ ancient Chinese curse.
  7. greenmtnguy

    greenmtnguy Well-Known Member

    Burllington has indeed been going ever more liberal every year. It is kinda becoming like the NYC of Vermont, as far as politics versus the rest of the state are concerned. Sad. I lived many years in Vermont, but it is fast becoming something that I no longer recognize from the state I gew up in
  8. hak

    hak Well-Known Member

    the article didn't list the gun store's name. it mentions a club ("Lamoille Valley Fish and Game Club ")

    I'd like to buy something from them, even trivial like ammo or cleaning kit to support them.

    they chose with their scruples and I commend that.
  9. Ehtereon11B

    Ehtereon11B internet infantryman

    I went to school in VT and always refer to Burlington as the "Hippy Mecca" or "Liberal Mecca." Unfortunately Burlington has a large population and political base as it might sway voters toward that side, just like a similar neighboring state...NY. When you look at the rest of the state, there are about 6 weapons (rifle, shotgun, handgun) for every person in the state.
  10. Fish Miner

    Fish Miner Well-Known Member

    Things were different in Maine when I lived there as a kid. Visiting my Mom this XMas, I was greeted by her liberal neighbor on the ferry reminding me how important gun control is. We had crossed swords on the 2A before, and apparently she was still wound up about it. Portland has become a liberal strong hold and is threatening to ruin the rest of the state. Just shows you that in the NE, the one big city in each state can pull all the weight. NYC, Burlington, Portland etc...

    Thanks god I live in Florida now. And I ain't ever heading back up there for anything other then a couple days of lobster and chowdah.
  11. Shadow 7D

    Shadow 7D Well-Known Member

    something of a historic note
    BOTH Maine and Vermont underwent a 'liberal colonization' as they were seen as not being in line with the rest of the eastern sea board, Had more than a few friends when I was in the army from, usually when things like this was brought up, the would just curse and say 'Might as well be New York (city)'

    the population was small enough that 10-20 thousand people would be more than enough to control the politics of the state.
  12. LemmyCaution

    LemmyCaution Well-Known Member

    This ban will be shot down in court immediately.

    It is settled case law that Vermont has state preemption of local firearms laws.

    Additionally, this ban clearly violates the state constitution in case law that was settled in the same case that established preemption.

    The relevant case is State v. Rosenthal.

  13. heavydluxe

    heavydluxe Well-Known Member

    You could certainly contact the club (http://www.lvfgc.org/) and donate to them, maybe become a member in principle, or ask them where you could direct some funds to support them. Perhaps the VT Rifle & Pistol Association?

    Yeah, but the problem is the state is heading down the same road.
  14. ZeSpectre

    ZeSpectre Well-Known Member

    Something sure is different. I don't know if the spikes on the fence got sharper or what but there sure don't seem to be as many fence sitters this time around and a whole lot less "oh they won't come for my ....."
  15. LemmyCaution

    LemmyCaution Well-Known Member

    The state will need to amend its constitution if it wishes to go down that road.

    This is not so casually done.
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2013
  16. bigdipper

    bigdipper Well-Known Member

    I dont think it could make it out of burlington. P.S. just showed my dad the bill from Alaska and i think hes going to propose it (hes a state senator)
  17. MachIVshooter

    MachIVshooter Well-Known Member

    I feel the same way here in CO. Most of the state is still very conservative/libertarian and pro-RKBA, but the densely populated liberal bastions are ruining it.
  18. mortablunt

    mortablunt Well-Known Member

    Words cannot describe how disappointed and baffled I am. I guess VT is full of Fudds. Aren't 10/22's also evil enough to be banned too?

    P.S.: Does anybody else remember the days when the evil gun was the AK-47?
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2013
  19. LemmyCaution

    LemmyCaution Well-Known Member

    The mayor of Burlington, Vermont was in my high school class. Even 25 years ago it was clear that he had a future in elitist Democratic party politics.

    He was class president. I mocked him from the left wing even then.
  20. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    I wonder about the PR value in cutting the LEOs off for a proposed piece of legislation that won't even survive.

    I think it would have been much better to point out that the members of the club that hosts the police training would end up having to close the range if the bill passed while it was struck down and that would leave the police nowhere to train.

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