Burning Powder or Burning Crosses -- It's all the Same

[TParrish]

Marc Lamont Hill just informed me that gun owners are more likely to be racists:

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/archive/segment/gun-ownership-and-racist-attitudes-are-linked-study-finds/527aa572fe34440c26000296

I became interested in the study and the results,and found that it was looking for a very specific form of racism. "Symbolic Racism" is evidently defined as "a coherent belief system which reflects an underlying unidimensional prejudice toward Blacks." Essentially, it is evidenced by racially biased actions committed by people who often do not see themselves as specifically racist.

So, rather than saying that this study was skewed, I would say that it is very focused. Racism among black people is not mentioned because of the kind of racism being studied.

Here is a Wikipedia article about symbolic racism. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_racism

I also believe that the "burning crosses" portion of the title of the original post is inflammatory and incorrect, since people who show symbolic racism would never, ever engage in such behavior.

I also believe that the huffington post article is agenda driven nonsense.

 

[jerkface11]

Race baiting and anti-gun nonsense on the HuffPo? What next Alternet? Maybe Commondreams? As long as we don't lose the democratic underground to the other side we should be ok.

 

[MattShlock]

Yeah, but you guys are overlooking the inherent racism in the system. Take "the black rifle" for example -- see what I mean!?
; )

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

Hmmm, we are friends with a lesbian couple both of whom shoot and hunt. I wonder how that might skew the curve on that "report'..?

 

[yzguy87]

I've only come across a few "racist" gun owners. Those people were highly misguided that believed a lot of stereotypes to be true. I think for the most part people in our society and culture today know that the color of a person's skin is just color and they aren't bothered by it. I believe there will always be people who are racist and inevitably some of them will be gun owners and some will not.
Consider the source of this artical! I think I smell a big load of !

 

[barnbwt]

"I became interested in the study and the results,and found that it was looking for a very specific form of racism. "Symbolic Racism" is evidently defined as "a coherent belief system which reflects an underlying unidimensional prejudice toward Blacks." Essentially, it is evidenced by racially biased actions committed by people who often do not see themselves as specifically racist."
So, the type of behavior exhibited by people who spend all day making race-based hypotheses and bouncing them against race-based studies? Couldn't resist.

Odd findings, considering an awful lot more gun owners would like to see minorities' rights to keep and bear arms (i.e. their empowerment) protected than non-gun owners who are more likely to be anti's seeking to strip them of their freedoms.

TCB

 

[xxjumbojimboxx]

I'm a Northeastern white man, I have a roommate who is black. We shoot together all the time. Were like two peas in a pod!


racism is stupid.

 

[P5 Guy]

I'm still trying to see how being conservative is synonymous with being a racist. Most of the people I think of as having a problem with those not like them are progressives. That has nothing to do with the race, creed or nationality just ideology.

 

[oneounceload]

racism is stupid.

Without it, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would be unemployed

As I get older and get better insights into certain ethnic groups, I see their racism and hatred FAR surpasses that of the KKK or other similar groups

 

[blarby]

Well since the percentage of black racists far exceeds that of white racists in this country

Speaking of statistics, i'd love to see something vetted on that one.

I see their racism and hatred FAR surpasses that of the KKK or other similar groups

I don't like Sharpton OR Jackson. Never heard, seen, or had described either of them actually set anyone of the "opposition" on fire, drag them behind a pickup truck until dead, find the nearest hangin' tree, or burn down other folks' churches- just sayin.

 

[oneounceload]

Don't remember the Tawanda case or the recent Trayvon where they were calling for some "social justice" ? THEY will never get their personal hands dirty though - but enough of that

Racism exists across ALL races, colors, etc. Calling gun owners racist just goes to show how desperate the left is to paint us all with a broad brush full of their own hatred

 

[yzguy87]

I for one would like to see minorities get more involved in shooting activities. The more diverse demographics evolved in shooting the better. Our nation seems to be getting more diverse (I'm not trying to start a political debate about other topics just stating an observation) as time goes by and regardless of whether or not you agree with immigration reform I think we should capitalize on the moment by introducing minorities to shooting and educating them about firearms in this nation's history will help ensure we all keep our rights.

I think it would be a great opportunity to get a liberal agenda backfire on themselves!

 

[TParrish]

(posted by oneounceload) "just goes to show how desperate the left is to paint us all with a broad brush"

I also disagree with the concept of the "broad brush". It is intellectually lazy, and completely inaccurate (odd for people inherently interested in accuracy).

I find the use of the term "the left" to be interesting in particular, primarily because it seems to be so fungible. In another forum, it was explained to me that Fox News, and people who watch it, are not part of the Right, they are right-leaning progressives. So, just where do you fall in that particular person's great scheme of things? Are you part of his "left"?

That being said, let me go on to say that I agree that the Huffington Post article's author had produced an agenda-and-stereotype driven piece of drivel.

 

[theotherwaldo]

There is one thing that is missing from the debate: a meaningful definition of racism.

According to Wikipedia, "Racism is generally defined as actions, practices, or beliefs that consider the human species to be divided into races with shared traits, abilities, or qualities, such as personality, intellect, morality, or other cultural behavioral characteristics, and especially the belief that races can be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to others, or that members of different races should be treated differently."

In other words, racism means that people are racists believe that there is more than one race of intelligent bi-peds on Earth, as different as horses and donkeys and capable of producing only degraded "mules" when allowed to cross.

This sounds remarkably like the position of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the rest of those that state that they want to support the "black race".

Until people accept that there is only one race in question, homo sapiens, racism will continue.

 

[atomd]

Speaking of statistics, i'd love to see something vetted on that one.



I don't like Sharpton OR Jackson. Never heard, seen, or had described either of them actually set anyone of the "opposition" on fire, drag them behind a pickup truck until dead, find the nearest hangin' tree, or burn down other folks' churches- just sayin.

% of black vote for Obama? After some point race would be the only factor. Also the crimes you mentioned were all not recent events so they aren't that relevant. Most if not almost all of those people that committed them aren't even alive today.

 

[jerkface11]

I don't like Sharpton OR Jackson. Never heard, seen, or had described either of them actually set anyone of the "opposition" on fire, drag them behind a pickup truck until dead, find the nearest hangin' tree, or burn down other folks' churches- just sayin.

They've been known to incite riots.