Bush questions border I.D. rules

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The mark of a real leader – he has to read about policy changes (done by his reports) in the paper.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/15/bush.passports.ap/index.html

Bush questions border I.D. rules

Friday, April 15, 2005 Posted: 8:03 AM EDT (1203 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Plans requiring passports from people entering the United States don't pass muster with President Bush, who has ordered a review of this border security effort amid fears it would impede legal travel from Canada, Mexico and other U.S. neighbors.

The president said Thursday he was surprised by the proposed rules announced last week by the State and Homeland Security departments.

"When I first read that in the newspaper about the need to have passports, particularly today's crossings that take place, about a million for instance in the state of Texas, I said, 'What's going on here?"' Bush said when asked about the rules at a meeting of the American Society of Newspaper Editors.

"I thought there was a better way to expedite the legal flow of traffic and people," he said.

Bush, a former Texas governor, said he has ordered a review of the rules. "If people have to have a passport, it's going to disrupt the honest flow of traffic. I think there's some flexibility in the law, and that's what we're checking out right now," the president said.

"On the larger scale, we've got a lot to do to enforce the border," he said.

In December, Bush signed into law an intelligence overhaul that requires tighter border security against terrorists and was the basis for the passport proposal. The White House did not say why the president was unaware of the plans his administration announced just a week earlier.

The proposed guidelines would require passports or a select number of other secure documents from anyone -- including Americans -- entering the United States from Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, the Caribbean and Panama. The rules were scheduled to become final this fall after a public comment period and to be phased in by 2008.

Currently, Americans generally need to show a driver's license or other government-issued photo identification to cross the border from Canada. Customs officials usually require more proof from Americans returning from the other countries -- a driver's license plus a birth certificate to prove citizenship, for example.

An estimated 60 million Americans -- about 20 percent of the national population -- have passports.

The plans have caused a stir in Canada, where the government announced it might follow suit and impose similar rules against the United States. Canada is the largest U.S. trading partner, with $1.2 billion worth of goods crossing the border daily. Nearly 16 million Canadians entered the United States last year.

Canada's public safety minister, Anne McLellan, told reporters in Ottawa that Bush's comments signal his support for negotiations between the two counties about "accepted forms of ID."

"While we want to keep our borders secure and our respective counties secure, we also want to ensure that we're facilitating trade and the movement of people between the two counties," McLellan said.

A spokesman at the Mexican Embassy had no immediate comment.

As proposed, the rules would allow the use of four other documents, geared to the Mexican and Canadian border, in place of a passport.

People entering the United States from Mexico could continue to use a border crossing card or SENTRI card, which can be obtained following background checks and other security measures. From the Canadian border, a NEXUS card for preapproved low-risk travelers and a FAST card for commercial workers would be accepted.

The plans also leave open the possibility for the use of unnamed "additional documents" that remain under consideration. But the passport "will be the document of choice for entering or re-entering the U.S.," according to a Homeland Security information sheet.

Bush said the rules must be more flexible, and could include electronic fingerprint imaging "to serve as a so-called passport for daily traffic" to help speed up the process.

Homeland Security spokesman Brian Roehrkasse said that although passports were a requirement of the intelligence overhaul bill, "we are looking at alternative documents that will help us better secure the country, and at the same time facilitate travel."

At the State Department, spokesman Thomas Casey said officials will "look to find ways to implement this program ... in a way that's most efficient and that facilitates travel in the best ways possible."

Bush has proposed immigration liberalization legislation that would establish a guest-worker program. But it has run into difficulty in Congress, particularly among border-state Republicans.

An estimated 10 million immigrants live in the United States illegally; the vast majority are from Mexico, with an additional million arriving every year.
 
The mark of a real leader – he has to read about policy changes (done by his reports) in the paper.

Policy changes which he apparently signed into law his own self:

Homeland Security spokesman Brian Roehrkasse said that although passports were a requirement of the intelligence overhaul bill...

:uhoh:
 
Augustwest said;
Policy changes which he apparently signed into law his own self:

Are you insinuating that our legislators should actually read legislation before they vote on it and that the president should actually read it before he signs or vetos it??? :what:

Do you think we pay them enough for that kind of work? :uhoh:

Jeff
 
Policy changes which he apparently signed into law his own self:

We know he'll sign ANYTHING.

A worrisome explanation might be – are there two President Bush’s, living in the same body? One that willingly signs everything that comes across his desk, and the other that questions what the other signed? :)
 
Bush said the rules must be more flexible, and could include electronic fingerprint imaging "to serve as a so-called passport for daily traffic" to help speed up the process.
What a grand idea! Why use a passport when you can enter your fingerprints into a federal database! Wonderful! :uhoh:
 
Since the president manages and leads a large organization I am not surprised that he signed a bill based on his advisors' recomendations. He should not get into micromanaging.

The one reason I hate driving across the Canadian border is the long waiting lines coming back into the USA. It is much quicker to run thru the inspection lines at the airports.
 
Since the president manages and leads a large organization I am not surprised that he signed a bill based on his advisors' recomendations. He should not get into micromanaging.
It's not micromanaging, it's doing his job.

I can see it now, without even looking at the papers he's signing things that will have a direct effect on the lives of Americans simply because his version of Radar tells him to do so.
 
I personally think a state issued ID should be sufficient to get back in to our own country.
 
The Federal government issues 100's of thousands of pages of ADMINISTRATIVE LAW regulations and rules every year. No president has ever EVER had the time to read them all. Do you think any president would have time to even read all of the IRS rules and regulations?????

I think it stinks and I dont agree with the way government departments promulgate rules and regs based upon laws and recommendations, but most of the rules we have to follow are administrative law and never get voted on by anyone, just created by bureaucrats to enforce the Laws that get passed.

Its not a personnal failing of the Shrub and he has many, Thats how it is.
 
There was an article in USA today about 10 days ago that said the State Department was going to begin requiring passports for border crossings. This was several days before Bush expressed any knowledge of such a policy.

I don't think he should be expected to read thousands of pages of government regulations, but a newspaper every once in a while would be nice.
 
Its not a personnal failing of the Shrub and he has many, Thats how it is.

MB, according to the Homeland Security official quoted in the article (and I admit I haven't had a chance to go back and review the legislation yet), the passport requirement was part of the ID law that Pres. Bush signed.

I'm not blaming W for not knowing about an administrative ruling that was promulgated - but if he signed said bill without knowing its contents, he acted negligently at best.
 
Guys:

Realize that lots of ILLEGAL people return to the United States WITH state issued I.D.! We catch many EVERYDAY where I work! Think of the 9/11 hijackers. All had fraudulently obtained valid state issued I.D. Realize that any non U.S. citizen can get a drivers license in most states. :what: You would allow them into the country by saying "U.S. Citizen" at the border and showing their "state issued I.D." You can't tell an illegal by looking at them. Look at the number of naturalized U.S. citizens that have Hispanic/Indian/Arab/Serbian/etc surnames. A U.S. passport is a much more secure travel document for many reasons.
Do you want to keep the terrorists out, or, in your quest to go to Canada or Tiajuana for a quick lunch allow all types of illegals in expeditiously :cuss:
We really can't have it both ways. It's a new world.
 
I don't think he should be expected to read thousands of pages of government regulations, but a newspaper every once in a while would be nice.
He's probably too busy listening to his i-Pod. :p
 
I've never understood why coming into the US from Canada and Mexico doesn't require a passport.

They checked my passport when I went to Scotland from LONDON. That's all under the same law, uses (mostly) the same currency, speaks the same language.

But, we seem to think that it's an inconvience for Americans to have to 'remember' or 'get' a passport to go to Mexico or Canada, therefor, screw it! We like Mexico and Canada. They're just like Texas and Wisconsin, right? They're all on our side and would never want to hurt or take advantage of us right?


sheesh.
 
I also went to Paris from England. Had my passport out and ready. They too didn't look at it at all! Surprised the heck outta me. At least the guards were all armed...


But....we all know that France is known for both harboring (and imo supporting) terrorists, and they and the UK are always fighting over France's horrible immigration control. When I was there in 2002, the UK shut down their side of the Chunnel a week because of all the illegals WALKING down the tracks from France!!!
 
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