Buying guns from the states in canada.

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im up in ontario. and im looking to buy a muzzle loader from down in the states. (im posting this in general, dont think its right for muzzle loading or legal/political)

it will be a Kit rifle, Cap lock. i was wondering if anyone knew the border laws for useing USPS to ship from the us to canada. Canada post hasent a clue. i have 1 more number to call in the morning to findmore info.
anyone know the rules if its possable to ship a caplock across the border to canada?

any help would be great. thanks.
 
The US considers them antiques, but up here, they're "non-restricted" (a flinter would be an antique, though); the people to call would be the helpful fascists at the Canadian Firearms Centre; 1-800-731-4000
 
SDC that would have been one of my next guesses.

the way i see it right now. canada doesent seem to care if rifles are registered or not. so thats the thing lol.

i tried finding stuff on the net. all i found was the border legalese that was like 80 pages long. i didnt feel like trying to read it lol.

il try calling them tomorow. see what they say. i hope there arent any issues getting it up here. cuz any place up here to buy a custom muzzle loader costs an arm and a leg. (can get this one with most of the really tricky work done for like 600 + shipping) place i know up here it would cost 900+ without that stuff done.
 
sheesh. my dad talked to the CFC today. and i dont know if the person on the other end didnt know *** they were talking about or what.

but they said we had to talk to imigration about getting the rifle registered before it crosses the border, having all the papers ready to pick it up at the closest office for it.

i emailed them there. and il see what they say about it in the email. hopefuly il get a decent answer.

it wouldnt be the first time a government agent didnt know *** they were talking about that we have talked to.
 
Try contacting the NFA. I know Canadian law and U.S. law differ on what is an antique, as U.S. law says pre-1899 OR doesn't use fixed ammo (and some other stuff). I think Canadian law may just have the date, not the other definitions.

http://www.nfa.ca/contact.html

Jim
 
I was told on a hunting trip this year that it was easier for a person to ship a rifle via UPS to Canada easier than to try to carry it across the border.

So what I am thinking is that if you knew someone in the states that would buy it for you - which isn't illegal - since you can buy any Muzzle Loader you want out of Cabella's or any other catalog company - and there is no background check. No registration.

Have them put it in a box and ship it to you via UPS. Once you have it in your possession - I don't see what the problem is?

I'd do it for $20!
 
UPS would open it at the border or scan it. once they saw it was a rifle. they would refuse it.

UPS canada refuses to ship ANY sort of firearm be it antique or not.
 
Hi, Aries,

I could be wrong, but I think those guns and kits are probably available in Canada, as I know U.S. and other foreign guns are. Are you trying to get something that is not available there or just trying to save a "loonie" or two by buying in the U.S.? If the latter, I think you will be going to a lot of trouble for not much, plus taking business away from Canadian dealers.

Jim
 
I went to a US Civil War reenactment in Newboro, Ont. a couple of years ago. The reenactors told me the Canadian Government considered their replica guns to be the same as modern firearms. They pre-filed all the paperwork to bring the weapons through Canadian Customs and were still held up at the border.
 
heh. i am looking for something specific :)

not a lymans or something like that.

its a special Rigby english sporting rifle from a smaller gunshop in the states.

what i think im going to do is ether a) have them split the parts into 2 packages and ship them sepretly as "gun parts" or b) have them ship them up here to a friend thats a registered gun dealer not far from me.

cant get that rifle kit anywhere in canada.
 
check out questar

http://www.questar.ca

they specialize in importing firearms into canada, they do all the paperwork (there is lots), but they do charge for it.

Heres a breakdown of the process.

1.Find someone who is selling the firearm you want to buy and arrange a tentative purchase.
2. Contact Questar and supply hard copies of the following information and documents:
- a high resolution scan, fax or photocopy of your current PAL (firearms license - both the front & back);
- a high resolution scan, fax or photocopy of government issued I.D. confirming your address
(Driver's License usually works);
- details about the firearm(s) being imported (make, model, serial number, US Purchase Price, etc.)
-name, address, e-mail, phone # and fax # for the current U.S. owner/seller;
-if firearm will not be "stored" at your home address then we'll need the storage address for CFC;
- CFC wants a "stated purpose" for the firearm ("hunting" or "collecting" or "target/competition shooting");
-For "Restricted" firearms CFC requires that we give them the name of your "Gun Club";
- A signed and dated Form DSP-83 (complete only sections 2 and 7... leave the rest of the form blank);

3.Arrange payment of the applicable Import Service Fee
4.Questar will fax / e-mail a copy of our U.S. FFL (Federal Firearms License) to your U.S. seller.
5.You pay your US Seller for the firearm and arrange for them to ship (prepaid) the firearm to the address on our U.S. Federal Firearms License.
6.We apply for your IIC (International Import Certificate). Ottawa is currently responding to IIC applications at a slower pace than previously... now averaging 5 to 6 weeks for approvals.
7.We then apply for your U.S. Export Permit. This takes 6 to 10 weeks for approval.
8.Once all required permits are approved and received we then arrange to transport the firearm(s) to Canada and clear the shipment through Canada Customs (you will be responsible for payment of any duty and/or taxes levied by Canada Customs on your imports).
9.We will then verify and register your firearm(s) into the CFC database.
10.We will invoice you for any duty, taxes and final shipping costs applicable on your imported firearm and when payment in full has been received, we will arrange for the firearm to be registered into your name.
11.We will then arrange final shipment of the firearm to you.
 
i just got an email from CFC. and its WAY to much work to bother with. im going to order the "kit" in pices. so its gun parts. (always a way around stupid laws, and regulations)

no way am i paying $225 to have someone else do all the paperwork. ontop of the $500 il be spending on the rifle.
 
ok..but just fyi, barrels, barrel blanks, bolt assembly and cylinders, receivers, frames, and bolts (got that from the numrich faq) usually require an import license and if you try to have them shipped to you without one and they are intercepted, the person who shipped them to you will be getting a little visit...
 
friend of ours gets barrels shipped up here for his custom rifles all the time. so maybe having the parts shipped to him would be better. since he is a registered dealer of firearms in canada.
 
For a barrel or receiver (one and the same for most BP longarms), he's still going to need an import licence, which MAY require an export licence from the US (even though they consider it a "non-gun").
 
like i said. he orders barrel blanks. and breechplugs from green mountain barrels all the time.

also other parts aswell.

what i may try. is have him order the entire gun as if to resell up here. which may work better.

we shall see. il let you all know how it goes.

he makes very nice BP rifles himself. just not ones i would like to use for hunting. (im thinner. and his rifles are very long so the weight of the barrel over 50 inches or so makes for a very hard gun to hold.
 
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