C&R Bound Book

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What constitutes "bound" in the bound book requirements of a Curio and Relic license? Would a 3 ring binder suffice or does it really have to be permanently bound in the sense of a regular hard back book?
Did you make your own or purchase it?
Thanks in advance for any light you can bring to this area.
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It may be loose-leaf, and you may make your own. What will matter is that the pages have a sense of permanence to them. Number the pages. Make entries in ink. Make any corrections by crossing-out (not blotting-out), and initialing and dating the correction. Do not remove and replace pages. Think "anal-retentative accountant."

Someone with a better memory than me will hopefully post a link to some of the sites with the better print-your-own pages that can be used for making your own "bound" book (or you can create your own pages from scratch, if you've got the mind to). I've forgotten where I got mine from.
 
Bruce, That is the same one that I use and I keep it in a 3-prong folder.
 
I use a blank-page book I got from an office supply store. I'm using one page per item since I know I'll never fill the thing.

The reference material that come with your C&R show what fields are required in the records; I just write those in along the left side of the page. I'm glad that there are no federal handwriting legibility standards. ;-)
 
I've heard people use the 3 ring binder with no issues. I was told by the BATF investigator during my "interview" that the binder was not acceptable and it had to be a permanently bound book. Rather then chance it I went with a accounting log book from an office supply store.
 
From the ATF website:

(E1) What is a "bound book?" [Back]

A "bound book" is a permanently bound book or an orderly arrangement of loose-leaf pages which must be maintained on the business premises. The format must follow that prescribed in the regulations, and the pages must be numbered consecutively.

[27 CFR 478.121 and 478.125]
 
The brownells books, at $3, are a clear winner IMO. It would take quite a while to fill one up and it just removes all the questions.

That said: The BATFE is mainly concerned that the pages are numbered and kept together in such a way that removing or replacing a page will be fairly obvious. They want an accountant to be able to go through the listing and make sure the book balances and matches your inventory.
 
When I got my C&R FFL, I was not sure if loose leaf binders qualified or not. I solved any doubt by purchasing a .59 cents (or there abouts) student notebook. You know the ones with black and white mottled cover, with a space in which to place your name and grade.
 
You know the ones with black and white mottled cover, with a space in which to place your name and grade.
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Ditto. I also use a common composition ("marble") notebook. They're bound, cheap, and available at Walmart. The hard cover was a big thing for me.

Currently, it only has one entry. :(

But that entry is a Garand! :)
 
Is there anything saying you can't transfer entries from one bound book to another? In other words if you start with a note pad or something and want to shift to a larger/fancier book do they have a problem with you writing all the entries in again and destroying the first book? Or do you need to keep your first bound book and add a second?

In some other areas it's considered bad juju to transfer entries from one log/ledger to another and destroy the original.

If that's how the BATFE sees bound books then starting off on a $.97 walmart note pad might be kinda frustrating 10 years from now when it has disolved in its own acids.

If not, well, sounds like a good solution to me. :) At least until you are ordering other stuff from Brownells on your discount....
 
Is there anything saying you can't transfer entries from one bound book to another?
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You can have multiple books. For instance, if you wanted to keep collections separate, like all Garands in one and everything else in another.
I've redone my book because I got better forms. As long as you transfer all the information there should be no problem.
 
Thanks, Guys.
I have made my own in EXCEL based on the one mentioned by BRUCE333. I would prefer to have it in a loose leaf format if that is permissible.
grosland
 
The brownells books, at $3, are a clear winner IMO. It would take quite a while to fill one up and it just removes all the questions.

That said: The BATFE is mainly concerned that the pages are numbered and kept together in such a way that removing or replacing a page will be fairly obvious. They want an accountant to be able to go through the listing and make sure the book balances and matches your inventory.
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Could someone please provide a link to the book at Brownells? Their website is hard to use. Thanks! :)
 
Yes, that's it. Remember, its not only purchases you have to log. If you sell one of your C&Rs, even if you had it before you got your license, you must log it out. Transactions have to be logged within 24 hours, so it would be handy to have a book.
 
Gator's correct. Not to put too fine a point on it, if you sell a C&R that you owned before you got your C&R license, you should first log it into your book, and only then log it out. Nothing goes out of your book that didn't go into your book first.
 
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