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Just doing some caliber comparisons for fun. How do the .223, .357, and .30 carbine compare?
The 357 really is a great revolver round, but unsuitable for other applications.... It is even weaker ballistically than the 30 carbine, which is pretty telling.
Sorry, I dont reload 357 mag so I have no idea why I would be expected to know that. Ok, so it is tied with 30 carbine for weaksauce round of the year. I dont know what point you proved.pbhome71 said:How do you make that determination? I look at Speer reloading manual and compare 357Mag 110gr (BC 0.12) at 2467fps v.s. 30 carbine 110gr (B.C. 0.179) at 1981fps.
Are you talking about trajectory? The drops for both seems to be about the same to 250yds.
Er - not exactly. .357 from a rifle is pretty serious medicine. It can really be moving, approaching 30-30 energies, with the right ammo.Sorry, I dont reload 357 mag so I have no idea why I would be expected to know that. Ok, so it is tied with 30 carbine for weaksauce round of the year.
Make special note of the Marlin 1894, 18.5 inch barrel velocities. Item 19C/20, supercedes 30-30 energies!!!
1. 3 inch S&W J frame
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1302 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC (jacketed hollow cavity) = 1299 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1398 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1476 fps
2. 4 inch S&W L frame Mt. Gun
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1375 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr JHC = 1411 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1485 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1603 fps
3. 5 inch S&W model 27
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast =1398 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1380 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1457 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1543 fps
4. 6 inch Ruger GP 100
a. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1707 fps
5. 18.5 inch Marlin 1894
a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast = 1851 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1860 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 2153 fps---- Can you believe this?!!!
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 2298 fps---- Or this?!!!
gazpacho said:I know people who hunt deer with 357mag (rifle and revolver). They'd laugh at the idea of hunting dear with 30car.
According to Paco Kelly (here) Handloaded 357 can approach 30-30 winchester when fired from a rifle. Well, another famous round which approaches 30-30 is 7.62x39. Now I doubt that any 357 bullet would come close to the penetrating power of the 7.62 bullet, but against flesh I wold say they both work well.
SpookyPistolero said:This is probably a better thread to ask this question, so does anyone know whether or not low power .38's out of a 16" or 18" barrel would work for small game hunting in a pinch? Is it still just too much weight to pick off critters with? I've been really curious to find this out.
Vern Humphrey said:I really can't think of a use for the .30 Carbine. For the record, I was issued an M2 carbine my first tour in Viet Nam, and wrapped it around a tree and carried an M1 Garand thereafter.
The .357 is probably the most versatile handgun round ever developed -- especially since it can also shoot .38 Specials. In a carbine, with 158 grain bullets, it is virtually a duplicate of the original .30-30 loadings (160 grain bullet at 2,000-2,100 fps) and still gives the .30-30 a run for its money (although with the new leverevolution ammo, it is outclassed.)
The .223 is the classic varmit round -- although only Robert MacNamara would consider it a battle round.
perpster said:That's why I would use an M1 for medium to long distance work, the .357 (or 9mm) carbine for medium to close in, and the .357 (or 9mm) for close in. All the bases are just about covered, and the supply and carry logistics is KISS. [Yes, I know and agree the .357 is oodles better than the 9mm, but 9mm +P JHP's are cheap and pretty effective if well placed.]