Can A Goofy Law Get Removed???

[4kbeard]

So I was just visiting my local Turner's, and I was informed that because I live in the terribly restrictive state of California, I can't get the Rossi 44mag Circuit Judge. I can get the 22lr/22wm conversion model, but not the 44mag. All because there is some goofy law that says center fire revolver rifle/carbines are a no no. I can't wrap my head around why (center fire) revolver style carbines are not allowed, but auto loading & lever action style rifles are kosher?
Can anyone tell me
A: what's the point?
B: is there is a chance that a senseless ruling like this can lifted?
C: if there is a chance, what do I do to get the ball rolling?

 

[WardenWolf]

There is no point. It's Cali, and as laws go, it's pretty low-profile and not particularly cared about because it affects so few things. Nobody is going to take this one up any time soon because there's bigger fish to fry.

 

[4kbeard]

I know its "low" priority. Its also annoying. Just like all the "high" priority rules out there. But since its simply stupid & low priority, it should be fairly simple to undo it. I'm just not sure how. And hey, if we can undo ONE stupid law, maybe we can undo a 2nd and maybe even a 3rd down the road.

 

[firesky101]

Uh... no law I have ever heard before. I know several people with .45lc/.410 circuit judges here. The only law I know of that applies to a revolving cylinder is only applicable to smoothbores.

 

[Quiet]

FYI.
Turner's Outdoorsman chain store employees do not know all the ins & outs of CA gun laws and, per how they are trained, if it is not available in their inventory /supply chain, then it is not legal in CA.

So, go to a gun store that knows what they are doing.

Because what you are asking for is CA legal and being sold in several CA gun stores.


Since you are in Orange County, check out...
RifleGear in Fountain Valley
OC Armory in Laguna Hills

 

[Quiet]

Pic from a CA gunstore (Warrior One) in the Inland Empire.

Rossi Circuit Judge (stainless) .45LC/.410
Second row from left, second from top.

 

[Librarian]

Can A Goofy Law Get Removed???
...
C: if there is a chance, what do I do to get the ball rolling?

As others have noted, no such law, and in California, getting a gun law changed isn't going to be awfully easy, but generically, here's how you do it:

1) figure out what piece of law you are talking about - see http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes.xhtml and search for the bit in question.

2) discover who are your Assemblymember and Senator are: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html

3) write a polite letter, or call your legislator, and explain the issue.

 

[mbt2001]

Sure,

1.) Build awareness
2.) Work with like minded groups that have a lobbying focus.
3.) Start a petition
4.) Petition the government.

Good luck, it isn't easy.

 

[SHR970]

I've heard some 'interesting' things from behind various gun counters. We can't count on the person on the other side to necessarily be very knowledgeable or honest. In your case you probably got someone who just doesn't know; heck even lawyers who don't specialize in Cali. Gun law (subsection of Penal Codes amongst others) have a time figuring it out. And what used to be P.C. 12020 has finally been broken out into P.C. 19910-23025; try following that mess.

Firearms law falls primarily from P.C. 23500 - 34370 with other parts in the Health and Safety Code, Fish & Game Code, Vehicle Code, and possibly one or two others.

 

[splithoof]

The store that the original poster went to has on more than one occasion told me things that were not true, and as another has said seems to answer questions based on what their store has in inventory. It is because of chain store retail outlets giving out wrong information that I try to only deal with a select few FFL's who have the knowledge of California's vast ocean of stupid laws.

 

[firesky101]

I just checked out the rossi site, and it seems they have added quite a few models. The only one that would be a problem is the 28gauge. I believe it would fall under the same law that bans the "street sweeper".

 

[blarby]

So, 4k:

When ya gonna get your Rossi ?

 

[Jim K]

A lot of pro-gun lobbyists hate to even try to get bad laws repealed. The reason is that just when they get the votes lined up to pass, for example, Bill 1234, and get folks writing in to support Bill 1234, the anti-gun loonies amend Bill 1234 to call for a total ban on everything that looks like a gun. Then there is a frantic attempt to fight the amended bill, which is still Bill 1234, and everyone becomes totally confused.

And then you have the talk shows - "Why, Senator, do you want to eliminate the protection we need from these deadly murder weapons that would be used to kill tens of thousands of innocent school children?"

Jim

 

[Frank Ettin]

To answer the OP's questions:

...B: is there is a chance that a senseless ruling like this can lifted?
C: if there is a chance, what do I do to get the ball rolling?...

Yes, a law can be repealed (removed). It's the same legislative process to repeal a law as to enact a law.

A bill to repeal the law must be introduced into the legislative process by a State Senator or by a State Assembly member. It must then get through various committees in each House of the Legislature, be passed by a majority vote of each House of the Legislature and be signed by the Governor. Here's a good write up on how a bill becomes law in California: Overview of Legislative Process.

It can be a long and difficult political process. Whether it can have a reasonable chance to succeed depends on the political climate. Right now is not a very good time to try to get gun control laws repealed in California.

It's also possible to challenge a law in court. That can be a long and expensive process. Some gun-rights advocacy groups have a number of law suits in court in various stages of the process. But because the process is expensive and requires the services of skilled lawyers, priorities need to be set.

...But since its simply stupid & low priority, it should be fairly simple to undo it....

Well, no. The problem is that if there is a law, the legislators who voted for the law, and the Governor who signed it, didn't think it was stupid. They all thought that the people who voted them into office would like it, and they are probably right. That makes it very "not stupid" in their eyes. And so it's not necessarily going to be easy to change.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Turner's Outdoorsman chain store employees do not know all the ins & outs of CA gun laws and, per how they are trained, if it is not available in their inventory /supply chain, then it is not legal in CA.

I had the clerk at Dick's Sporting Goods tell me that it's against federal law to have more than one gun out in the customer's hands. I guess he has never walked into a gunshop before where you can freely pick through the guns.

 

[brickeyee]

Only by the same path it got there.

It takes a bunch of goofballs, AKA politicians.

 

[4kbeard]

blarby, I'm thinking it might be a yule gift to me from me with love. So around December if I can pull my funds together.