XD Fan
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I have never bump fired a firearm before and I do not know that I will, but I was thinking about it the other day. The process operates via the gun's own recoil, right? Is the recoil of a .22 to light?
Can You Bump Fire a Ruger 10/22?
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A bumpfired 10/22 has been ruled to be a machinegun by the BATFE as of Dec 8, 2006. Bumpfiring constitutes "manufacturing a machinegun".
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Cosmoline
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I'd worry less about the BATF than about the possibility of poorly aimed fire going somewhere other than where you want it.
bill larry
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I dunno if the recoil is too light...but, the second postet JLBraun....that is just for the Akins Accelerater.
WinchesterAA
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Bumpfiring is a sinche. I tried it for the first time the other day with my AK.. started off doing doubletaps and then a long slow dump for the rest of the mag, but after 3 or 4 mags I was going faster than I could believe. Really really close to real full-auto rates, and man it was a blast!
My thump was hit by the handle though a couple of times I think, cuz it was thoroughly numb for 10 or 15 minutes after I stopped shooting.
My thump was hit by the handle though a couple of times I think, cuz it was thoroughly numb for 10 or 15 minutes after I stopped shooting.
Neo-Luddite
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You might be able to, but you would look silly. 
Seriously, I think that the 10/22 might be harder than some with the standard trigger set up as there is a plunger return on the trigger. Or maybe that makes it easier??
A lighter stock and hi-velocity shells would help--recoil is a factor here.
Seriously, I think that the 10/22 might be harder than some with the standard trigger set up as there is a plunger return on the trigger. Or maybe that makes it easier??
A lighter stock and hi-velocity shells would help--recoil is a factor here.
farmer7
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what is 'bump firing'? How does it work? And what is it for????????!!!! Excuse my ignorance!
Badger Arms
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JLBRAUM
The Akins Accelerator is a machinegun, plain and simple. It's amazing the BATFE ever said anything different. It is NOT bump firing. Bump firing is a technique for manipulating the trigger. Put any autloading rifle butt against a tree and pull the trigger any way you want, there is NO WAY you can get them to bump fire or fire repeatedly without moving your finger manually. Put the Akins gun against a tree and it'll fire full-auto with a SINGLE FUNCTION of the trigger. That defines a machinegun.
Now then, you CAN bump fire a 10/22 with a light trigger and a great deal of finesse or a Hellfire device and a little practice. I can bump-fire nearly every gun out there with a little practice. The question always begs, though... WHY? Put some target plates downrange at virtually any range. I'll knock them all down while you pretend your gun is a machinegun and we'll see who's most satisfied.
The Akins Accelerator is a machinegun, plain and simple. It's amazing the BATFE ever said anything different. It is NOT bump firing. Bump firing is a technique for manipulating the trigger. Put any autloading rifle butt against a tree and pull the trigger any way you want, there is NO WAY you can get them to bump fire or fire repeatedly without moving your finger manually. Put the Akins gun against a tree and it'll fire full-auto with a SINGLE FUNCTION of the trigger. That defines a machinegun.
Now then, you CAN bump fire a 10/22 with a light trigger and a great deal of finesse or a Hellfire device and a little practice. I can bump-fire nearly every gun out there with a little practice. The question always begs, though... WHY? Put some target plates downrange at virtually any range. I'll knock them all down while you pretend your gun is a machinegun and we'll see who's most satisfied.
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Sir.
You are wrong.
The Akins device is indisputably not a machinegun. This is not debatable, and there is no gray area. The definition of machinegun is:
This definition does not use "place the butt against a tree" as part of the definition. If it did, you would have a point there. But it doesn't. Actuate the trigger, multiple shots = machinegun. Actuate the trigger, one shot = NOT A MACHINEGUN.
The trigger is actuated by the user's finger once and only once for each and every shot. Therefore, according to the law, the Akins device is indisputably not a machinegun, and it's not even possible to debate it. "Well, it looks like a machinegun, therefore it is one" is exactly the same logic used by Dianne Feinstein to dupe the American people into supporting the AWB. The law is the law is the law, and the law says that the Akins device is not a machinegun.
I'm sorry, but saying that the Akins device is a machinegun is Feinstein-speak.
That's all I'm going to say. Continue the discussion.
Politely.
Respectfully.
Sir.
You are wrong.
The Akins device is indisputably not a machinegun. This is not debatable, and there is no gray area. The definition of machinegun is:
This definition does not use "place the butt against a tree" as part of the definition. If it did, you would have a point there. But it doesn't. Actuate the trigger, multiple shots = machinegun. Actuate the trigger, one shot = NOT A MACHINEGUN.
The trigger is actuated by the user's finger once and only once for each and every shot. Therefore, according to the law, the Akins device is indisputably not a machinegun, and it's not even possible to debate it. "Well, it looks like a machinegun, therefore it is one" is exactly the same logic used by Dianne Feinstein to dupe the American people into supporting the AWB. The law is the law is the law, and the law says that the Akins device is not a machinegun.
I'm sorry, but saying that the Akins device is a machinegun is Feinstein-speak.
That's all I'm going to say. Continue the discussion.
By holding your finger/thumb in place, you can let the rest of the gun recoil to allow your finger to release the trigger. Then with your other hand holding the gun, you push the gun forward, forcing the trigger to be pulled by your stationary finger. It's easier to hold your thumb against your side and hip fire, therefore eliminating any accuracy and raising the issue of stray bullets. You can do a search for videos online if you want to see it in action.
rhubarb
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No, a 10/22 probably won't bump fire. My Marlin 60 won't. The 22lr doesn't have enough recoil to cycle bump firing.
Akins Accelerator should be legal for any citizen just as any other firearm should. Can we start a slippery slope here? Let's get 22lr full auto legalized. There are legal auto bb guns. Why not 22?
Akins Accelerator should be legal for any citizen just as any other firearm should. Can we start a slippery slope here? Let's get 22lr full auto legalized. There are legal auto bb guns. Why not 22?
XD Fan
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Thanks for the info folks. I was suspicious that it wouldn't work. In any case, I do not think I will be trying due the lack of control over round placement, but it does look like fun.
Spiggy
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I have a freind with a marlin 60 and the trigger spring is really light and short. with little practice, he could get it to unload the whole tube faster than he can reload.
10/22 should be tons easier
10/22 should be tons easier
Yes, the 10/22 can be bumped. I've done it countless times. You need a very light trigger, however, and a light gun. A bull barrelled gun will not work well because the recoil isn't enough to cycle and reset the trigger.
I suggest using a bump device like I invented or doing it from the shoulder. Much easier, and easier to aim.
BTW, the Akins device works to do NOTHING but bump fire the gun. It's not an MG in any way, shape or form. Your finger is pulling the trigger EACH AND EVERY SHOT, even tho it's not moving back and forth. The only thing that is happening that's even slightly MG like is that the gun is moving back and forth very fast.
If you don't understand that principle, or the legal definition of an MG, you should apply to the ATF's technical branch. You'll be in good company.
I suggest using a bump device like I invented or doing it from the shoulder. Much easier, and easier to aim.
BTW, the Akins device works to do NOTHING but bump fire the gun. It's not an MG in any way, shape or form. Your finger is pulling the trigger EACH AND EVERY SHOT, even tho it's not moving back and forth. The only thing that is happening that's even slightly MG like is that the gun is moving back and forth very fast.
If you don't understand that principle, or the legal definition of an MG, you should apply to the ATF's technical branch. You'll be in good company.
collateral
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My 10/22 is the only semi-automatic rifle that I haven't been able to bump. I have seen other 10/22s bump fire as well as a Thompson Center .22, so I have to say that with a light enough trigger and enough care it can be done, I just haven't had any success.
I myself however do prefer accurate semi-automatic fire over an innacurate spray.
I myself however do prefer accurate semi-automatic fire over an innacurate spray.
Badger Arms
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You pull the trigger once as hard or as light as you want and the gun fires more than one time. That's the illustration I was trying to make. One pressure of the finger on the trigger causes multiple discharges. Putting the butt of the gun against the tree isolates the rifle from the effects of recoil which is necessary to bump-fire the gun. It's not bump-fire, it's a machinegun.
If you're going to try to split hairs, split ones we can support with the law. We should all be allowed to own machineguns, rocket launchers, mortars, etc. as the 2nd Ammendment says we have a right to keep and bear arms. If I were on the jury, I'd have to admit that this device is a machinegun. Calling it like I see it does not make me Dianne Feinstein and, no offense, but you are way out of line saying that. Now, I'd still vote to acquit because the 2nd Ammendment trumps the NFA, but then again that's why they don't pick me to sit on juries. Don't play the same game the enemy does. I'm on your side, I just disagree. Don't lump me in with anti-gunners here.
Badger Arms
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Oh, and I'll be first in line to buy one if they re-reverse.
It didn't say "PULLING the trigger once per shot" in the law, it said "one function of the trigger" and in the akins stock, the trigger functioned once for EVERY, SINGLE, SHOT.
The BATF just got mad that the akins took advantage of the laws wording, and instead of getting the law changed, they come up with this "violating the spirit of the law" BS.
Someone needs to come up with an akins-like stock (using the rails to move the gun) but have a seperate fore-grip to push the gun forward with. It will be just as good as the original akins, and be legal because the BATF ruled that the "machine gun" of the akins stock was the spring that pushed the action forward into your finger. Replace the spring with the force of your arm moving forward, and the BATF can just take it, or make some really interesting laws banning bump-firing.
Now, back on topic, I doubt you'll have any luck bump-firing a 10/22. I haven't been able to do it with mine, but I can even do it very well with my sks, so maybe I'm just bad at it.
The BATF just got mad that the akins took advantage of the laws wording, and instead of getting the law changed, they come up with this "violating the spirit of the law" BS.
Someone needs to come up with an akins-like stock (using the rails to move the gun) but have a seperate fore-grip to push the gun forward with. It will be just as good as the original akins, and be legal because the BATF ruled that the "machine gun" of the akins stock was the spring that pushed the action forward into your finger. Replace the spring with the force of your arm moving forward, and the BATF can just take it, or make some really interesting laws banning bump-firing.
Now, back on topic, I doubt you'll have any luck bump-firing a 10/22. I haven't been able to do it with mine, but I can even do it very well with my sks, so maybe I'm just bad at it.
DoubleTapDrew
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I couldn't bump my 10/22 but it's got the stock trigger. I think the recoil of a .22lr just isn't substantial enough unless you have a light, crisp trigger job.
I wouldn't worry about spraying rounds all over bumping a 10/22, it's not bucking bronco, it's a .22.
I agree with jlbraun and rugerdude. The BATF changed it from "single function of the trigger" to "single function of the finger" which could easily be manipulated to include other type of bumpfiring. I imagine devices like swingset made could fall under the same ruling if they were being sold commercially. I can see WHY they want it to fall under the NFA because it could easily be adopted to any semi-auto rifle, but that doesn't change the fact that it falls outside the definition of a MG and they are in the wrong.
I wouldn't worry about spraying rounds all over bumping a 10/22, it's not bucking bronco, it's a .22.
I agree with jlbraun and rugerdude. The BATF changed it from "single function of the trigger" to "single function of the finger" which could easily be manipulated to include other type of bumpfiring. I imagine devices like swingset made could fall under the same ruling if they were being sold commercially. I can see WHY they want it to fall under the NFA because it could easily be adopted to any semi-auto rifle, but that doesn't change the fact that it falls outside the definition of a MG and they are in the wrong.
blackhawk2000
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I've seen a Marine bump his M9. I'm sure a .22 could too with practice.
MisterPX
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Yes, you can bump a 10/22. A PC or Volq. trigger helps dramatically though. As far as the Akins, by definition of MG law, it is NOT a MG. THis is a case of the ATF reruling to get something they don't like out of our hands. If you support that decision, as Badger has, then you'd also support the ban of any firing rate increaser, as some states ahve banned. Get ready to ban your fingers!!
zero_chances
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I havent tried bump-firing a .22, but i had great success putting the rifle on a stand, and pulling the trigger as fast as i can with my index finger the way you would with a paintball gun. I am right handed, so i used my right hand to steady the stock by olding it behind the pistol grip area, and firing with the left hand. With a little practice, I was getting about 10 rps. Plus you can kinda control where the bullets go.
Davo
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I tried yesterday, my 1022 has a pretty light trigger but no go.
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