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Carbon-15 pistol?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by sonny, Apr 18, 2003.

  1. sonny

    sonny Well-Known Member

    Anyone got any info on it?.......own one?...shoot one?...POS?
  2. Sactown

    Sactown Well-Known Member

  3. Justin

    Justin Moderator Staff Member

    They're out of business, and the Pro-Ord carbines and pistols are rather prone to jams. To bad such a good concept was so poorly executed.
  4. sonny

    sonny Well-Known Member

    Are there any othe "223 PISTOLS" out there? ......that are recomended?
  5. Sactown

    Sactown Well-Known Member

    I think Savage and Thompson Center both make single shot .223 pistols. They're not semi-auto if that is what you're looking for.
  6. Traithe

    Traithe Active Member

    Olympic Arms makes one called the OA-98 the following is a descripton from their website http:www.olyarms.com

    The ONLY AR-style pistol using aluminum forgings, and all metal parts (except for the pistol grip) that has a removable magazine. The )A-98 is able to use any mil-spec AR-style mag. All weight has been removed in non-critical areas to ensure safety and strength.

    All lower parts are standard AR-style parts, and are interchangeable with other standard GI (non-Colt's) parts. The upper is a modified component that contains the famous OA-series recoil system that eliminates the need for a buffer tube or standard recoil system of any type. There is virtually no recoil due to the gas-op OA style system, but it still packs the punch of the .223 Remington centerfire rifle cartridge. If you have any questions, please e-mail our info line. Features include:

    Button cut light barrel, 6.5" OAL, 1x9" twist
    No buffer tube
    Detachable magazine
    Uses standard AR lower parts and bolt
    Weight: 48 oz
    Length: 15 3/4"
    MSRP $1020.00

    Check out the picture of it.
  7. Cableman

    Cableman Well-Known Member

    I have one, there a lot of fun to shoot. Very loud and a big fireball, most impressive at night. No spare parts, so be forewarned.

    Last edited: Apr 22, 2003
  8. piranha45

    piranha45 Well-Known Member


    do they malfunction alot, or are they reliable?


    those things look fun and practical.

    although perhaps this would be better in the rifle forum?
  9. Frog48

    Frog48 Well-Known Member

    They should be just as reliable as any Bushmaster rifle or carbine. They're basically the same thing, just with very short barrel upper, and without a stock.

    With that said, I love my Bushmaster AR-15.
  10. M2 Carbine

    M2 Carbine Well-Known Member

    I've got the Bushmaster and two Kel Tec PLR-16 .223 pistols.
    If you want a .223 pistol get the PLR.



    100 yards, standing, rapid fire.

    PLR bench rest.
  11. piranha45

    piranha45 Well-Known Member

    awesome stuff. How often do you have to deal with jams? According to stats, the plr has a 3" barrel advantage over the bushmaster so I presume thats why you'd suggest it.
  12. M2 Carbine

    M2 Carbine Well-Known Member

    The Bushmaster and first PLR required a little break in.

    I believe most of the trouble I had with the AR and first PLR (which was very little) was caused by using Wolf ammo and a couple new magazines that were rubbing on the bottom of the bolt carrier.

    I didn't use Wolf in the second PLR and it was totally reliable right out of the box. (Kel Tec says not to use Wolf in any Kel Tec guns)
    I no longer use Wolf and all three guns are reliable.

    Now if I have a jam it's caused by the brass I've reloaded too many times or a bad magazine.

    I'm not knocking the Bushmaster but the Kel Tec has it beat in almost every way.
    The KT costs about half as much.

    The barrel is 2 inches longer so the muzzle velocity is greater. WWB is 2296fps in BM and 2514 in the PLR.

    The PLR is very accurate. I haven't shot the BM at 100 yards much but it doesn't seem as accurate.

    The BM uses the AR gas operating system, very dirty.
    The PLR uses IMO a excellent modified AK type piston and AR type bolt. The action and bolt stays clean.

    Accessories like slings and muzzle brakes/flash hiders are easy to attach to the PLR.

    Personally I like the plastic material the PLR is built with better than the Carbon fiber material.

    IMO the PLR is a good looking gun and I call my Bushmaster my "Paint Ball Gun".:D (I still like the BM but I wouldn't buy another one)

    Kel Tec has a lifetime warranty on their guns and they stand behind it.
  13. piranha45

    piranha45 Well-Known Member

    oh man i am totally sold :D I have a new gun at the top of my buy list.

    can you comment on the 30rd and 30+ clips?
  14. M2 Carbine

    M2 Carbine Well-Known Member

    Almost all my magazines are aluminum mil spec that I buy new at gun shows for $10-$15.

    The 30 round mags work fine but I mostly use the 20 round.
    By the time I've shot 20 rounds I'm usually ready to quit.:)

    BTW, if you haven't seen this, it's the PLR being shot without a flash hider.:D

    And the Bushmaster pistol.

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