CCI CB Long .22

[brentn]

Not sure what "conical ball" means, but I'm sure someone here will answer that one.

Bought 3 packs of 100 of these tonight to dink around with, I wanted something that was extremley quiet and possibly still lethal for small game like squirrels or magpies etc.

I had heard storys that these things were like a pellet gun going off, and in all honesty they pretty much are! I'd say just a little louder than a pump air gun, they are absolutley 100% safe to use indoors without hearing protection. I shot one at an old tool box and the noise it made was louder when it hit the box than it was from the barrel.

To test their lethality without actually shooting anything living (it was too dark) I tried to see how they compared to velocitor and mini-mag rounds. A velocitor will almost penetrate a full 1000 pages of a yellowpage phone book. Thats about 4/5 penetration. At 1400fps with 40 grains thats what you get.

With the CB Longs they are 28grain at 710fps and they managed to penetrate about 1/5 of the book. Both shots were pretty much point blank just to keep with consistancy. Watching the bolt on the 10/22 I noticed that it BARELY even moved thus you have to cycle it yourself manually. I was completley expecting this and am only telling you how much it moved just to give you an idea of what kind of force these have.

So sure, it can penetrate a bit of a phone book, I decided to try something more "fleshy" like a small lime, yes the thing you cut up and put into a rum and coke.

So about 4 feet away I shot the lime with a CB Long, the lime jerked slightly and after I picked it up I could see a rip in its skin. No hole, but some kind of penetration, since there was no exit hole I assumed the round was buried inside.
Took the lime upstairs and cut it up and there was defenitly no penetration, it just ripped the skin and bounced off! ouch...

So anyone here who says CB longs could kill a magpie with a nice shot to the head, I just don't believe it. I believe that it would knock it on its ass, but I don't think it would actually kill it, would it???

has anyone actually killed anything with this round? Did it penetrate or just give the critter enough of a concussion in which it died instantly? lol

input is appreciated

 

[Kilgor]

It'll take sparrows with body shots and squirrels with head shots. I know those from experience.

Where do you buy them bullet proof limes?

 

[brentn]

lol hahaha. Yea well I'm glad you have some experience so I defenitly trust you when you say you can take squirrels and sparrows!

Yea safeway sells them, not very expensive.

Its been sitting for two weeks so its probably harder than normal. Thanks for the input!

 

[Outlaws]

they are absolutley 100% safe to use indoors without hearing protection.

Its up to you, but its not 100% safe to use indoors. Hearing protection I don't care about, thats your ears. But if you accidentally shoot yourself in the foot from a ricochet, then we gun owners all pay for it.

I am a big fan of CB Shorts, and they will kill little critters. They are best for 10-15 foot shots when you don't want a lot of noise but want to dispose of something.

Most limes have a fairly tough rind.

 

[brentn]

I should clarify, but I did say indoors 'without' hearing protection. I wasn't talking about shooting in your house, just meant that at an indoor rifle range you do not need hearing protection.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to say that shooting in your house is safe lol.

 

[GunTech]

I have used CBs in my backyard to dispatch various animals. Shorts in my K-22 are about like a cap gun, and took care iof Mr. Rabbit very nicely. One round through the back of the head at about 5 feet.

The longs feed better in my CZ-452, and I have dropped a few starlings at 15 feet or so, but not all were clean kills. The comparison to a pellet gun is very appropriate.

 

[Outlaws]

I haven't pulled any bullets from CCI CB Caps, but I think there is a little powder in them.

Dynamit Nobel/RWS makes some 6mm CB Caps (don't ask why they are 6mm, but they are for .22 caliber firearms). They are just a primer, no powder, and unlike most primer only ammo, are safe for your firearm. I have shot them out of a 10/22 and they clear the barrel with enough speed to still bounce around the backyard.

This is one on the left.

 

[kBob]

I used some in an anshutz much like the Savage Imported ones called the 164. at 50 feet and they penitrated a 3/4 inch pine board. At that range and less I have dispatched tree rats with both head and body shots. I find the CCI CBLongs to kill better and at longer ranges than a FWB 124 airrifle such as was once recomended in "Survival Guns" by Mel Tappen as a serious harvester of small game.

Dare I suggest you may have almost missed that lime and barely scratched it?

I have called center shot on rounds others observed to miss the entire target frame myself on occassion.....it happens. Try a few more shots at deadly citrus and let us know how it works out.

-Bob Hollingsworth

 

[brentn]

actually, doing more tests it seems to be that round for the lime was defenitly a dud or bad round. Cause every other round has had some decent penetration. Just shot an apple in front of a plastic garbage can and it went through the apple and the can making a nice straight hole through everything.

Interesting...

Btw the CB Longs defenitly have powder in them. I pulled one apart but its white powder, almost looks like sea-salt but not as white. Defenitly flammable and burns the same as other smokless 22LR powder... I wonder what the deal is here? It must be a kind of unfinished smokeless or something, thats just not as potent as regular smokeless.

I also was told that there is the exact same amount of this powder in the CB shorts as the longs, so the noise should be the same with both rounds.

 

[brentn]

Just tried another lime, and yea I must have missed the first one. I'm using the scope at close range and I'm not aiming high enough.

The second lime, it went right through.

damn lol, well now that I'm seeing these things i've changed my conclusion and now I'm positive they can kill.

 

[Dave Markowitz]

CBs will definitely kill. They are more powerful than most "magnum" air rifles, which plenty of people (including me) have killed small game and varmints with. Shot placement is key with such low powered rounds.

 

[Bwana John]

Not sure what "conical ball" means

The shape of the projectile, as uposed to "BB" which is round.

I like the RWS "CB" caps best.
Ive tryed CCI short and long CB caps, Aguila "Colibri, and Super Colibri", but the super shorty 6mm RWS caps work best, ive killed pidgon at 65 meters with them.

 

[Dirty Bob]

Try the CB Longs in a long barrel, like my old 24" bolt action, and you learn what quiet really is! Almost inaudible from even a short distance away. It's a great practice round for new shooters, with less blast to intimidate the beginner.

Regards,
Dirty Bob

 

[achildofthesky]

CCI 22 CB shorts are pretty cool...

I havn't tried the cb longs but I suspect that they are pretty similar in performance to the CCI CB Shorts I use. The bullet in the short is listed as 29 grains at 710 fps and at 75 easy paces broadside they through and through on small game like bunnies. The sound out of a Marlin mountie 20" barrel is as or more quiet as a pellet rifle and the sound is more of a gentle thwwwwaap rather than a sharp crack. Cycling the action is louder. I will use them again this year exclusively for small game season so not as to scare other nearby critters.

Patty

 

[Snapping Twig]

I shoot the CCI CB Cap as well and I can say it's plenty quiet and I think of it as a magnum pellet rifle.

There's been a time or two where a pesky animal's dispatch was handled with the discretion this round provides.

 

[djecp1]

Could kill a person, CCI .22 CB longs and shorts

A CB long or short could easily penetrate into a person's brain or heart. It wouldn't be 100 percent but certainly some of the time a person would become instantaneously unconscious and the bullet wound would be fatal, with a wound to the brain anyway. Some wounds to the heart would be fatal. I was an ER doctor for 13 years.

 

[Ron-Bon]

Conical means shaped like a cone...brush up on your geometry

 

[gcpd]

I shoot CCI CB caps out of my old Rem 550-1 and it has no trouble taking out the squirrels that have invaded my yard and climb into the attic.
The shorts won't cycle in the rifle but the longs do all day long. Very quiet also. My guess is they would kill a person if you shoot them in the right place.

 

[Gordon]

I shoot thse RWS CB caps out of old (dare I say antique) .22s that have larger than normal bores and they bring quiet life safely back into those old guns. The CCI .22 long CB was designed for LR chambers as you do not get lead/powder build ups ringing the chambers as the shorter cases do. Also generally they are more accurate in the longer chambers as there is less bullet jump to the rifling.

 

[mainmech48]

"BB" originally stood for "bulleted breech" and "CB" for "conical bullet", IIRC. Both were offshoots of the old Flobert caps which became popular for "parlor" shooting and pest control around the end of the 19th century.

What we see now is sort of a non-frangible projectile version of the late, lamented "gallery" loads of my wasted youth.

The "long" case version came about to address feeding difficulties in many .22 RF arms which weren't designed to handle Shorts. They also would help protect the chamber against excessive fouling build-up and/or damage from primer residue with extended use.

I've killed a great many small pests with them. My grandfather used to pay us a penny apiece for starlings picked-off of the cattle feeders and water troughs in his barn lot. We also got a bounty for rats, moles and mice, but the barn cats kept those critters a lot scarcer.