Century Bashing

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I am posting this thread in protest of all of the Century Arms haters that seem to quite abundant on this forum, I am a new member here but I have been an avid shooter for most of my fourty years, I learned to shoot a 1911 before most people learned to ride a bike, I luckily grew up in a house where guns were a way of life and put alot of meat on our table.

My father was career military with fourty two years in uniform, and with five brothers who all hunted we had at any one time twenty to thirty guns in the house so I have shot weapons from most manufacturers and in most common camberings and I have also collected military weapons since the age of fifteen so I have a good deal of experience with firearms. In my experience all firearms are subject to problems, some more than others and I can also tell you that spending alot of money does not make that fact go away.

My first .22 rifle was a Rem. nylon 66 that came from the factory with the barrel canted about 15 degees which was easy enough to fix but the gun was never what I called reiable because of FTE & FTF issues(sold it), now on that note I have owned one Ruger 10/22 and two Glenfield 60's, the Ruger is the most inaccurate .22 that I have ever shot(sold it)and the Genfields are as accurate as most bolt guns and will shoot thousands of rounds with very few problems, one of my Fathers MOSes was the Range Master for the indoor range so thousands of rounds of .22 Rem. standard velocity range loads made there way to my house.

I owned a Ruger Red Label 12ga that the breech opening linkage broke the second duck season I used it, sent it back to the factory and finaly got it back two months later and the safety no longer worked(sold it) Bought a Browning Gold 12ga and after 25 to 30 rounds in the duck blind it would start jamming and after about 300 rounds the stock split at the wrist, sent it back to the factory and it took four months to get it back and it came COD for the return shipping(sold it)Bought a Beretta super light 20ga for dove hunting, shot fine until about 200 rounds then it would go full auto when dirty(sold it)now that being said I own a 25 year old Mossberg 500A that has had probably had 1000 rounds though it with no failures.

Purchased a Ruger P85 9mm that functioned flawlessly but shot about a 10'' group at 25 yards(sold it) purchased a S&W 5943 9mm that not only was not very accurate but had to have the hammer spring replaced twice(sold it)Now that being said I own a Remington Rand 1911A1 made in 1944 that not only shoots 3" groups at 25 yards but will shoot 4-5" groups at 75 yards off the bag.

Now all of that being said I have owned 6 Century Arms rifles five of which I still do, the only one that I sold was a CETME because I really wanted a C91 G3 clone, the CETME I fired probably 500-800 rounds through with the only failures being surplus ammo related(seperated casings) I have a Century 10AESB RPK that has had over 1000 rounds fired in it with no failures. I have a Century R1A1 FNFAL that has had 800-1000 rounds fired in it with two FTE's. I have a WASR 10 AK-47 that has had 500+ rounds fired in it, no failures. I have a Century Tantal that I have fired two 1080 round tins of Russian surplus 5.45X39 ammo in with a total of three failures all due to the crappy corrosive ammo. I have a Century C93 G3 that is the only one of their products that I have had to send back to the factory due to the fact that the crappy looking U.S. made flash hider was assembled canted and the rounds would strike it at the top and it therefore shot quite low, sent it back and got ot back in 19 days, not only fixed but they replaced the flash hider with a German surplus bird cage, this weapon now has had over 600 rounds fired in it with no failures.

Now I know that this is one mans opinion, but then again that is all that really matters to the one man, I just really get sick of all of the hollier than thou gun snobs who tell the newbys that they have to spend thousands of dollars just to get a decent weapon, it's just not true because just like the pool shark that can run the table on you with a broom stick 95% of shooting is skill and practice, the weapon is just a tool and alot of these self professed gun experts can no more instinctivly shoot than I could carve a Black Forrest cookoo clock if I were givien the finest carving tools made. Not all of us are independently wealthy and can afford to drop thousands of dollars on a single gun purchase, most gun owners are working people with families that have to save up for a new gun or put it on layaway so please stop belittling those of us who spend what we can afford, and as stated above it has been my experience that the "drunken monkeys" do as good a job as any other manufacturer.


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I'm not trying to be rude, but it'd really help if you broke that up into individual paragraphs. As it is now, I stopped reading after the first few sentences because it became too much to keep track of.
 
Wow.

Where can we find all this century arms bashing, and wouldn't it be more productive to protest there?
 
Here's my experiences with CAI:

  • I have bought four CAI-built CETMEs; two were built correctly and the other two were DANGEROUS (IMO) in that the front trunnion was worn beyond spec and CAI ground the rear of the bolt down to fool the buyer into thinking that all was well. The metal finish was abysmal on all four.
  • I have bought three WASRs from CAI; two worked fine and the third had a mis-machined right bolt rail that allowed the bolt to jump out of its races when in full recoil. The metal finish was abysmal on all three, and I had to hand-pick these three out of a lot of several dozen to get ones that had a minimal amount of sight cant.
  • I have bought one CAI-build Mauser sporter; they screwed the barrel into the receiver crooked and neither the barrel or receiver were salvagable. Ironically, they did a decent polish-n-blue job on this one.
I'd say that I've been pretty well unimpressed with CAIs build quality. I do not believe that telling the truth about my experiences constitutes 'bashing'.

It is what it is.
 
You know what really grinds my gears??

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That was quite a rant! I was unaware that there was that much Century bashing going on....especially because all the threads I've read lately have talked about how they're very decent rifles :scrutiny:. I've owned century rifles, and have never had a complaint about them. quality control isn't the best at century, and there's always the chance of getting a bad apple, as with any rifle. but most are very good.

not to be rude or anything....but this seems way out of left field.
 
I never owned a Century rifle. I never wanted to buy one because they're fugly and cheap looking. Call it bashing if you want, but those are the reasons preventing me from buying one.
 
To each his (or her) own.

That is the essence of THR.

Naturally, a path of mutual respect

Is necessary in order to continue a dialogue.

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When Century still had a shop, up here, they were notorious for assembling rifles, especially Lee-Enfields, out of parts bins without checking the headspace to ensure the rifle was safe to shoot.
 
I don't see much Century bashing around THR. For the most part, their weapons are not as bad as some make them out to be, and the ones that do have problems are rather simple and easy to fix.

I have quite a few rifles from them and none have given me any major issues. The one that gave me the most problems was my WASR-2 did what rbernie described happening to one of his. For some reason, it doesn't do it anymore. Now, granted the fit and finish is not the best on some pieces...particularly the AKs, but both of mine have worked nearly flawlessly through the several thousand rounds I've put through both.
 
Geeze that was a rant... and yeah break up the words it looks like yer a drowing victim sayin all that in a breath.

And I read it all word for word too.

I got 3 century Arms 2 SAR-1's straight ones too, and a Yugo folder.

I really like my Rem Rand later 45 vintage, all hammered up but it is a shooter, and was cheaper than dirt the day I bought it.

I had a Nylon 66 I guess better than yours... It was stolen.

I have a 1972 vintage 10/22 and i agree it is a paper plate hitter, and you need a baloon for a target.. I like my Ruger Old Army pretty well, another 72' pre bible gun. I got a Bear Cat as well old pre-bible but I don't know what year it is. That has antler grips looking like factory, but I don't think that was an accessorie.

I have 4 shotguns, one side by side from Baker who went out in 1933, and is mint, plus a great shooter for game birds.. the others are pump guns 1 Win Mod 12 in 16 Ga and the other in 12 Ga, plus a 50's vintage Sears Ranger, not exactly a pricey gun to start with even in the 50's.

I have other assorted odds and ends around too, not many over the 300 dollar mark.

I really can't say I agree with you on any Century bashing here, but I suppose it could have happened and I just missed it.

Have you checked out prices for Flinter kits these days? All I can say is OUCH!

I don't mean from common compainies though, while they are plenty bad enough, but the historical replicas, where a kit of crude parts costs more now than a finished gun did a decade ago.. And a finished Fusie De Char is running for more than a Bushy!
 
I'm really impressed, now I think Centruy is the greatest manufacturer ever. I'm going to rush out and sell the FN's and HK's tmorrow so I can stock up.
;)
 
Wall of text!

Really now, if you're going to go on this whole bashing spree it'd be wonderful to make use these little things called paragraphs.

Just my two cents
 
The English teacher in me really wants to grade your essay, but I'll resist the urge.

However, let me say this....

Ever hear that old saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me?"

Well, the first was a Century SAR-1 that wouldn't shoot a 6" group at 100 yards. The second was an L1A1 with the infamous Century "Unibrow" which resulted in a completely unreliable firearm.

I won't even get into such innovative techniques of firearms assemble such as grinding down bolt heads on CETMEs.

I learned my lesson.


-- John
 
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I never owned a Century rifle. I never wanted to buy one because they're fugly and cheap looking. Call it bashing if you want, but those are the reasons preventing me from buying one.
Heh. If you own more than 5 military surplus firearms, you probably "own a Century gun". They are in the top 3 importers of milsurp fireams (if not the top of the ladder).

They import 'em - everybody else sells them.
 
it has been my experience that the "drunken monkeys" do as good a job as any other manufacturer.

I'm very happy for you. Fact is however that for many many people the experience is not the same.

Just to add data points, not bashing :)

My WASR-10 shoots about 8-10 MOA at 100 yards and I am NOT exaggerating.

Drunken monkeys indeed.
 
I quit reading the rambling unpunctuated essay about 1/3rd the way down, I simply couldn't make any sense of it.


As to the Title go look over a Century MAS 7.5x54 to 308 conversion and tell me they don't deserve 200% of the bashing they receive.

BANDSAWS belong nowhere in the shop of a gunsmith or manufacturer. Especially one that employees "drunken monkeys"


WOW! 17 posts in a Century topic before someone said "drunken monkeys" this may be some sort of record
 
Everything Century puts out is junk. Start with junk, use junk "gunsmiths" to put them together, you will end up with junk every time. I've seen so many Century guns in my shop in for work to be done after the Century "gunsmiths" have had a once over.

You can't polish a turd. I would never own anything from Century Arms. I've never seen a single gun with their name on it that was worth my money.
 
think about it this way, without Century will we have the avilibility of cheap "exotic" type firearms? Where else can you get Yugo AK, CETME, FAL, RPK for the price Century are selling? Remember those Yugo heavy RPK century were turning out last year for $500?
 
WOW! 17 posts in a Century topic before someone said "drunken monkeys" this may be some sort of record
It was actually stated in the first post, but most folk couldn't kep their eyes from crossing before they got to that part.
 
Every gun company makes lemons.

Some tend to make a lot more lemons than others.

I have seen enough [hotos of century arms receivers being way out of acceptable norm that I believe they make WAY more lemons than anyone, and they might even be doing this with full knowledge.

Yet even still, you can definately own half a dozen and never encounter a problem. That, however, doesn't diminish the fact that there are a TON of cruddy Century guns out there
 
Sorry if my "rant" was a little long and involved, next time I will try to make it easier to read.

My point was that almost all of the threads that I personally have read mentioning Century Arms has someone's reply bringing up the "druken monkeys" or the "idiots" that work there, and yes I have heard all of the horror storries but it has not been my exrerience.

As I stated this is one mans opinion and if that is not welcome here I guess I was missled about what this forum is all about.

I believe that alot of "gun people" will tell you that what they have is the best because they spent alot of money on it and if you can afford that then great, but alot of people can't and just because you payed more doesn't mean the more affordible version is junk.

I wish that I could afford to drive a Mercedes 450SL but I just cant so I will stick with my Chevy truck and make the best of it. Oh and by the way sarcasm is most always used when there is a lack of an intelegent reply.


This is this! it's not something else, it's this!
 
As I stated this is one mans opinion and if that is not welcome here I guess I was missled about what this forum is all about.

You didn't just state your opinion, you stated that yours was right and the others were wrong and that everyone else who had a bad experience with Century had that experience because we don't know how to shoot a gun.

Very big difference.

As for being belittled for buying Century, you certainly didn't get that treatment here I'm willing to bet.

Most of us have had some firearm from Century at one time or another.
 
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