Choosing reloading equipment

[Gryffydd]

You certainly have to know of the old rock tumblers that came long before the vibratory cleaners and were adopted by reloaders to "tumble" their brass instead of rocks.

Yes...yes I do know.

I maintain that its use is actually a misnomer since the term "tumble" first came to use with the cannister type tumblers which did "tumble," and it does not accurately describe the action of the vibratory cleaners.

Which came first really has nothing to do with the definition of the word "tumble". If you look at the definition of the word, both mechanisms fit. One rolls, one vibrates, and either way the cases are tumbled through the media. I would submit that the word "tumble" has been around longer than either of the polishing mechanisms.
For that matter, if you look at the source of the word "tumble"

[Middle English tumblen, frequentative of tumben, to dance about, from Old English tumbian.]

I'd say that favors the vibratory tumblers

 

[David Wile]

Hey Gryffydd,

You can "tumble" your cases in your vibratory cleaner all you want. I am going to vibrate my cases in my vibratory cleaner. Besides, those Middle English folks didn't have any vibratory cleaners for their cartridge cases, and me thinks thou doth protest too much.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

 

[David Wile]

Hey Gryffydd,

I do have to admit that anyone who points out the distinction between "your" and "you're" cannot be all bad - or all wrong.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

 

[Gryffydd]

Hey David,
We'll agree to each stick to our own nomenclature I guess--just don't tell me mine's wrong.
And thanks for taking my comments in the good humor in which I meant them.

 

[Walkalong]

We use many words "wrongly", such as tumble when we really mean vibrate in our "tumbler". No wonder we get confused. We use a tumbler to vibrate brass, which makes the brass tumble, while it's vibrating.

And your is different than you're, just like since is different than sense, but used in its place often around here.

argh..

 

[David Wile]

Hey Gryffydd,

Your wrong!

Now wait, did I mean you or did I mean your?

Oh well, it's not as bad as Walkalong's wrongly, but he really does have a good excuse. Being from Alabama, he never really had a chance to learn English as we good Yankees have. Then again, I did go to school in Virginia and went back to live there for some years. I'm not ashamed to tell you all that Virginia did grow on me a fair bit, but I never did get to eating that cow food they call greens. Their about as bad as parsnips.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

 

[rfwobbly]

I think most folks actually have vibratory cleaners and still use the misnomer "tumble" for the cleaning process.

I shudder to think that anyone would even consider labeling all this random tossing and turning of case within media as anything less than an agitation akin to Brownian motion. The use of these lesser terms simply makes me quake.

 

[freonr22]

well I am a new reloader, and have the LNL, I also got the case feeder later, I thought it was well worth the $280 (i think you get some bullets back too) I would like some input on the decrimping/swaging etc.

times have changed since i started and could not get a dillon super swage, I did already have the CH4d swager but it does not fit a progressive with the shell plate. hmmm no dinero... hmmm I expieremented and found that a #2 phillips bit in a drill press removed the crimp in about 2 seconds. literally. so far I have run 500 cases that way and have only 6500 more to go.

A very knowledgable reloader indicated a 3/8 countersink would function as well/better (he has 8 dillon 650's and 1-3 1050's)

also I built a TUMBLER from scratch that works well, I can do 750-2000 @ a time http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=169056&highlight=tumbler

and the tiny video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWDMfCxx9LI&feature=player_embedded

 

[Dannix]

David Wile, thanks for the lube/carbine et al clarification. As for the tumbling discussion, well, perhaps we should adopt vibratized instead of tumbled.

 

[jcwit]

I didnt do great in English class 50 + yrs ago, but I spent 50 yrs with most people understanding me. To thos that dont it dont matter anyways. And I aint gonna change.

Now back to tumble or viberate, that is the question.
I stile want to now if it a clip or a maganize.

 

[Walkalong]

And I aint gonna change

I got yer back jcwit.

 

[Gryffydd]

Argh, now I have a headache and I've gone cross eyed thanks to you two.

 

[Dannix]

freonr22, that a HUGE tumber and it would for me cost me more in time and materials than to pick up Dillon2001. But that looks like an awesome project if I had the time and material resources availalbe, and gives you superior gunny creed over just getting a commercial product.

That CH4D die swagger... so how does that work in a (single stage) press as the dies come in at the mouth, based on my newbie understanding.

"8 dillon 650's and 1-3 1050's" - he's moonlighting? I thought about maybe doing this some day and/or getting into swagging as a way to wind down mentally from work.

 

[Dannix]

I didnt do great in English class 50 + yrs ago

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