Cimarron Model P Old Model in .44 WCF

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A couple weeks ago I ordered a Cimarron (Uberti) Model P in .44-40 with a 5.5” barrel. It arrived at my local FFL and we did the transfer yesterday.

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I strongly considered getting a 4-3/4” barrel, but decided on the 5.5” barrel because of my presbyopia. For me the front sight is a bit easier to see on the longer barrel, especially if I’m shooting indoors under florescent lighting.

My new gun has the “black powder” or “old model” frame, which requires the use of a screwdriver to remove the cylinder. Uberti thoughtfully includes a spare base pin retaining screw. I would have preferred a Pre-War frame with the more familiar spring loaded base pin catch but nobody had them in stock.

I should note that this gun has the original Colt-style lockwork. The only safety is the two-position base pin, and you hear four clicks when you cock the hammer.

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The Uberti Bisley in .44 WCF that I got last year is a great shooter, but I find that it’s easier to quickly get a good firing hold on the SAA-style plowhandle grip than with the Bisley grip. What would be really cool would be one of these with a Bisley hammer, which is lower so it’s easier to recock the hammer.

I’m already well stocked with loaded ammo and components for .44-40, so the availability or lack thereof of ammo at gun shops not a concern.

Before shooting any gun that's new to me I field strip, clean, and lubricate it. New guns come with an anti-corrosion coating but it's usually not a good lube, and in any event, you want the bore clean. Aside from that I painted the front sight with some high-visibility green paint. Not very 19th Century, I know.

I was able to shoot the new revolver last night, and I'm extremely pleased.

The action is very smooth with a great trigger pull. I haven’t put it on a trigger scale yet but I’m guessing it’s about 3 - 3.5 lbs. and crisp. The one-piece walnut grip doesn’t have the typical red color Uberti puts on many of their guns, and fits my hand perfectly. (I have small hands so I’ve always like the 1851-Navy type grip, which is found on the Model P.)

At least on the indoor range under florescent lighting, the gun shoots a little low for me when fired with two hands. However, if I shoot with one hand it hits dead-on. Windage is perfect. I shot .44 WCF handloads consisting of a 200 grain RNFP soft cast bullet from cowboybullets.com on top of 8.3 grains of Unique. I want to try it also with some lighter loads, e.g., 7.0 - 8.0 grains of either Unique or Universal. I’ll also try it with black powder.

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(I also got to shoot a Colt King Cobra. Nice gun but the DA sucks compared to S&W DA revolvers. I'll stick with my K-Frames.)

There's one thing I'm not happy with, and that's the typically soft screws that Uberti uses on their firearms. Thankfully, they were not so tight that I couldn't get them out (a problem I've experience on other Ubertis), but some show slot deformation even before I touched them. IOW, they came that way from the factory. So, once I get confirmation that it's in stock, I'll be ordering a complete set of correctly hardened screws from VTI Gunparts.

Aside from recreational shooting this will see service as a woods gun. So, I need to get a suitable holster. I’ll probably order a M-1942 Tanker holster from El Paso Saddlery. Based on my prior experience with a Tanker holster for other guns it should be comfortable.
 
The stuff I've seen coming out of Cimarron lately has been very nice. Unfortunately, like you said.....there isn't much to choose from. Their shop shelves are pretty much empty. We usually get a call whenever they have new stuff ready to go....and those calls have been few. I'm fortunate to get to help out in a small gun shop in Tombstone, AZ....and we were lucky enough to get a couple pair of the Lonesome Dove Walkers....but that's about it for anything else this year except for a few older stock 1860's. It's been rough....

I'm also with you on the Bisley.....I just can't seem to get comfortable with them either. On your new purchase.....I've always liked the black powder frame, just nostalgia I guess. I don't currently have one, so it's a problem I need to remedy one of these days.Great choice of 44 WCF. Makes a great piece for sure!
 
Dave Markowitz

That's one handsome looking (and great shooting), wheel gun you've got there! I also like the 5 1/2" barrel on my single actions as they just seem to handle and balance better in my hand; though I still want to get one with a 4 5/8" barrel model some day to round out my single action collection.

At least on the indoor range under florescent lighting, the gun shoots a little low for me when fired with two hands. However, if I shoot with one hand it hits dead-on.

That's interesting as I have experienced the same thing while shooting my Ruger Vaquero. Using both hands just doesn't feel right to me and and seems to make my groups to print lower on target. But when I switch to just one hand, it's spot on center at POA!
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The Uberti Bisley in .44 WCF that I got last year is a great shooter, but I find that it’s easier to quickly get a good firing hold on the SAA-style plowhandle grip than with the Bisley grip. What would be really cool would be one of these with a Bisley hammer, which is lower so it’s easier to recock the hammer.

Howdy

The Bisley model was meant to be a target gun, not an all purpose revolver. Introduced by Colt in 1894 and named after the Bisley range near London where the National Target Matches were being held. Notice the extremely different shape of the grip of a standard 2nd Gen Single Action Army at the top of this photo and the Bisley model at the bottom. The Target Model Bisleys had a drift adjustable rear sight dovetailed into the top strap, and a removable front sight insert. The Bisley in this photo is a 'standard' model Bisley, without the target features. Although the Bisley model was meant to be a target revolver, there were 44,350 of the standard models produced but only 976 Target Models were produced.

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Yes, with the forward sweep of the grip the Bisley model tends to point slightly down when I grip one. I have always felt that this was because many 19th Century target shooters held their revolvers with a slightly bent elbow, rather than the straight arm technique most target shooters use today. I have no factual evidence of this, it is just a hunch on my part. I do know that if I hold a Bisley with a slightly bent elbow it tends to point straight ahead, rather than slightly down if I use a straight arm.

Regarding installing a Bisely hammer on a standard replica of a SAA, it won't work. Notice how different the backstrap of the Bisley model is at the top where the hammer is located than with the standard SAA. If one attempted to substitute hammers, the Bisley hammer in a standard SAA the bottom of the curve of the Bisley hammer would be exposed. Also, I don't know about the replicas, but the frame of a Colt Bisley model is slightly deeper than the frame of a standard SAA, the grip frame holes do not line up the same on the two models.

Regarding soft Uberti screws, yup you are completely correct. Uberti has been making soft screws for years. That is why they are so difficult to remove without buggering up the screw slots. When torqued down the threads of the softer screws tend to grip a threaded hole more tightly than a screw of the same hardness as the metal where the hole is. In CAS we have been complaining about it for years. I have never purchased any of the hardened screws from VTI, but it sounds like a good idea to me.
 
Regarding soft Uberti screws, yup you are completely correct. Uberti has been making soft screws for years. That is why they are so difficult to remove without buggering up the screw slots. When torqued down the threads of the softer screws tend to grip a threaded hole more tightly than a screw of the same hardness as the metal where the hole is. In CAS we have been complaining about it for years. I have never purchased any of the hardened screws from VTI, but it sounds like a good idea to me.

I purchased the hardened screw sets for my Uberti 1866 and 1873 Sporting Rifles. Both came with screws that could not be removed without drilling them out on my tabletop milling machine. I tried soaking in Kroil for a couple weeks and using the tip of a soldering iron to apply heat to loosen the screws, but no dice.
 
I have a couple of Uberti Rifles; an Iron Frame 1860 Henry and a Winchester Model 1873 replica, as well as a Cattleman in 45 Colt. All had screws that were difficult to remove, but I was able to do so without buggering up the screw slots.

A really good screwdriver set with hollow ground bits is a big help.

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Congratulations on your 44 WCF Single Action. I much prefer the 'black powder' style frame and of the 7 single actions I own five have that frame configuration. And good shooting by the way. Very impressive.

I personally think these older style cartridge guns need to be fired with black powder to completely understand what the experience was like in the latter part of the 19th Century. Touching off 36g of FFg behind a soft cast 200g bullet is a whole different experience that shooting smokeless. Of course it won't go over well at the indoor range. (smile)

Dave
 
I have a couple of Uberti Rifles; an Iron Frame 1860 Henry and a Winchester Model 1873 replica, as well as a Cattleman in 45 Colt. All had screws that were difficult to remove, but I was able to do so without buggering up the screw slots.

A really good screwdriver set with hollow ground bits is a big help.

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Usually it does. I have a very large and comprehensive gunsmith's screwdriver set. It didn't matter in the case of my particular rifles.

I personally think these older style cartridge guns need to be fired with black powder to completely understand what the experience was like in the latter part of the 19th Century. Touching off 36g of FFg behind a soft cast 200g bullet is a whole different experience that shooting smokeless. Of course it won't go over well at the indoor range. (smile)

Actually, I can shoot black powder on the indoor range I was at. They have a very good ventilation system. The smoke gets sucked downrange and right out. Here's a frame grab from a video of me shooting my Bisley in .44 WCF and black powder:

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I found a shoulder holster and ammo holder on Etsy for under $100 and decided to give it a try. El Paso Saddlery's Tanker Holster may be higher quality but this is actually pretty good and the wait time was a lot less. (The gun actually goes a little further into the holster but for some reason when I took the picture it wasn't fully seated.)

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I'm going to add a second Chicago screw to the strap for more security. The ammo holder is intended to be worn on a belt but I'm going to keep it on the strap, for a setup similar to the way my Pacific Canvas and Leather shoulder holster for my S&W Victory Model came.

One thing it lacks is a loop on the end that goes down and secures it to your belt. I'm going to rectify that.

This should make a nice rig for the woods.
 
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